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jibal commented on The oldest unopened bottle of wine in the world openculture.com/2025/08/t... · Posted by u/bookofjoe

j1elo · 15 hours ago

Funny that we can know what's the center of the Sun made of, but who knows what is inside that bottle! :)

jibal · 13 hours ago

Unlike a bottle of wine, the sun is an electromagnetic energy source. Without accessing the wine its chemical composition is unknown. Consider medical diagnostics like MRIs and CT scans ... they detect density and shape, but for a biopsy you need tissue.

jibal commented on The oldest unopened bottle of wine in the world openculture.com/2025/08/t... · Posted by u/bookofjoe

jibal · 13 hours ago

The best wine I ever tasted was from a bottle of Montrachet fetched from the cellar of friends of a new girlfriend, saved for a special occasion which apparently was them meeting me, which added a nice glow to it.

jibal commented on Libre – An anonymous social experiment without likes, followers, or ads libreantisocial.com... · Posted by u/rododecba

atoav · 21 hours ago

And I saw a ton of racist, genozidal, sexualized and otherwise unhinged content that the worst people would think call "freedom".

So again, tell me what you're unfree to write there?

jibal · 14 hours ago

I already said. And again, I'm not seeking that sort of freedom ... the one sort of freedom the site offers is freedom from moral consequence.

jibal commented on AGI is an engineering problem, not a model training problem vincirufus.com/posts/agi-... · Posted by u/vincirufus

jibal · a day ago

How do we know when a newborn has achieved general intelligence? We don't need a definition amenable to proof.

jibal · 14 hours ago

P.S. The response is just an evasion.

jibal commented on AGI is an engineering problem, not a model training problem vincirufus.com/posts/agi-... · Posted by u/vincirufus

germandiago · a day ago

Well, you should show the proof that it is possible also, So it would be a draw.

I really think it is not possible to get that from a machine. You can improve and do much fancier than now.

But AGI would be something entirely different. It is a system that can do everything better than a human including creativity, which I believe it to be exclusively human as of now.

It can combine, simulate and reason. But think out of the box? I doubt so. It is different to being able to derive ideas from which human would create. For that it can be useful. But that would not be AGI.

jibal · 14 hours ago

The burden of proof is on the person who makes a claim, especially an absolute existential claim like that. You have failed the burden of proof and of intellectual honesty. Over and out.

jibal commented on AGI is an engineering problem, not a model training problem vincirufus.com/posts/agi-... · Posted by u/vincirufus

mattfrommars · a day ago

I don't you know about you guys but Sam Altman have said they have achieved AGI within OpenAI. That's big.

jibal · a day ago

How is it "big" that Altman told one of his many lies? He now says that AGI "is not a useful term".

jibal commented on AGI is an engineering problem, not a model training problem vincirufus.com/posts/agi-... · Posted by u/vincirufus

signa11 · a day ago

won’t somebody please think about Mr. Godel, and the Incompleteness Theorem ?

jibal · a day ago

They aren't relevant. Even if Penrose and Lucas were right (they aren't), a computational system can solve the vast majority of the problems we would want solved.

jibal commented on AGI is an engineering problem, not a model training problem vincirufus.com/posts/agi-... · Posted by u/vincirufus

root_axis · a day ago

The suggested requirements are not engineering problems. Conceiving of a model architecture that can represent all the systems described in the blog is a monumental task of computer science research.

jibal · a day ago

It's software engineering.

jibal commented on AGI is an engineering problem, not a model training problem vincirufus.com/posts/agi-... · Posted by u/vincirufus

levitate · a day ago

"AGI needs to update beliefs when contradicted by new evidence" is a great idea, however, the article's approach of building better memory databases (basically fancier RAG) doesn't seem enable this. Beliefs and facts are built into LLMs at a very low layer during training. I wonder how they think they can force an LLM to pull from the memory bank instead of the training data.

jibal · a day ago

LLMs are not the proposed solution.

(Also, LLMs don't have beliefs or other mental states. As for facts, it's trivially easy to get an LLM to say that it was previously wrong ... but multiple contradictory claims cannot all be facts.)

jibal commented on AGI is an engineering problem, not a model training problem vincirufus.com/posts/agi-... · Posted by u/vincirufus

SalmoShalazar · a day ago

The forgone conclusion that LLMs are the key or even a major step towards AGI is frustrating. They are not, and we are fooling ourselves. They are incredible knowledge stores and statistical machines, but general intelligence is far more than these attributes.

jibal · a day ago

Right ... as the article lays out.

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