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bagacrap commented on Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists   reuters.com/world/ireland... · Posted by u/abe94
Spooky23 · 6 hours ago
IMO, no.

I pay alot of taxes. Probably more annually in the last decade than I made in total my first decade working.

Many of my peers spend alot of time agonizing about this stuff and spending both mental energy and significant capital in avoidance. I get a higher ROI focusing on more valuable activities. Besides, art is an economic engine. If you studied it, I’d guess those tax credits in Ireland generate multiples in domestic economic activity.

bagacrap · 5 hours ago
Agreed it is a waste to spend too much time worrying.

It seems dubious to claim that the tax break is a net positive for the country's economy. If art were so economically viable I suspect it would pay for itself and not need government incentives. I have no problem with the government paying a muralist to beautify some public space, but this is not that. This is subsidizing art that already has some economic value to someone, just not very much.

I feel like what is actually happening is subsidizing the buying of art, as the artist themselves can afford to charge a lower price due to the tax break. So you are encouraging the population to buy more art. And I guess that has some hypothetical returns in terms of life satisfaction and civility...? I think if they framed it this way, as a tax benefit available to anyone instead of exclusively to a select few, it might be more well received. I think of the mortgage interest tax break in the USA (which is actually almost completely negated at this point by the growing standard deduction) in the same way. It encourages people to settle down, maintain a job, and buy into society, so it helps build social stability and reduces violence.

bagacrap commented on Is AI replacing junior devs?   superiortech.io/your-ai-s... · Posted by u/fizeek
fizeek · 7 hours ago
Very good take on this. I do agree there will be a place for the competent devs out there. Would you say that coding ability may be less of a factor moving forward but your potential to understand concepts, creativity and grasp on the bigger picture may be more important than ever?
bagacrap · 7 hours ago
I guess it depends on what you mean by coding ability. I used to think one of my super powers was being a faster than average typist who was familiar with vim. Compared to those in my immediate vicinity I could edit files much faster. That ability has rapidly lost value. But the ability to read and understand unfamiliar code quickly is still "coding ability" in my book and that has not yet begun to lose value. I haven't seen much success in getting agents to help with that.
bagacrap commented on Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists   reuters.com/world/ireland... · Posted by u/abe94
jcarrano · 9 hours ago
"If you need subsidies in order to live off art, you don't live off art but live off the state".

As part time artist I see many problems with these schemes:

- Decoupled from people's actual appreciation of the art being done: I feel better when I know people voluntarily gave up their hard-earned money for what I do. - Monopoly-style "winner takes all". The people who benefit from this are the ones already in a position to ask for the benefit. - No one bites the hand that feeds then. That will form a body of "artists" subservient to the state.

The human problem is that no artist is willing to acknowledge that the public is not willing to spend money on their product.

bagacrap · 7 hours ago
Must feel pretty good when rich people get into a bidding war over your product!

I have a hobby and I don't get compensated for it (quite the opposite). It's not making art, but if art were my calling I could quite easily see myself making it without any hope of monetary reward. There are plenty of people who have the same hobby as me and don't have a job -- they pursue it as is it's a job, though most are not paid either. I view that as some combination of privilege and laziness.

If there's any problem here it's that people don't have enough time to pursue hobbies. I only have enough time because I work from home (no time wasted commuting). Perhaps the government should focus on where we as a society waste people's time and energy such that they have none left over for hobbies.

bagacrap commented on Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists   reuters.com/world/ireland... · Posted by u/abe94
Daub · 16 hours ago
OK, maybe my use of that phrase was a bit ill-judged. However, aside from supporting artists, what did the initiative achieve? Keeping artists off the dole should not be, IMHO, a goal in itself. The reputation of Dutch culture at the time was not brilliant, though neither was it bad. A strategic attitude would have been more effective... maybe target one or two artists and promote them.

The Young British Artists (YBA) boom of the 80s was a product of the innovative teaching environment of Goldsmiths' college plus the drive of people like Damien Hirst, who organized the ground-breaking Freeze exhibition. The British Council did their best to capitalize on this.

bagacrap · 7 hours ago
How is this keeping artists off the dole anyway? Sounds like keeping them on it.
bagacrap commented on Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists   reuters.com/world/ireland... · Posted by u/abe94
s_dev · 17 hours ago
Irish here. It's a cultural thing. Ireland is the only country in the world whose national symbol is a musical instrument.

Art is seen as a worthwhile endeavour even if it can't necessarily support itself as a private endeavour. It's for the same reason galleries and museums are subsidised by the government.

Anyone can call themselves an artist but to receive this money you would have to have a portfolio of work that is approved by the application programme.

Ireland already has a competitive economy. There is more to a country than economics and that includes promoting things like art to foster a sense of identity and promote Ireland on a world stage.

Milton Friedman wouldn't approve and we're okay with that.

bagacrap · 7 hours ago
To need to already have a portfolio of work kind of defeats the purpose, no? It kind of proves you didn't need this money to make art. I would have thought the point was to unlock potential artists who hadn't the time to develop their practice.
bagacrap commented on Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists   reuters.com/world/ireland... · Posted by u/abe94
Spooky23 · 10 hours ago
People get very high and mighty when it comes to other people’s getting of benefits or paying taxes.
bagacrap · 7 hours ago
... shouldn't they?

Ultimately that comes out of their pockets. Every tax benefit my neighbor gets simply shifts the tax burden more to me. Unless I am someone who doesn't pay taxes I guess. Do you pay taxes?

bagacrap commented on Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists   reuters.com/world/ireland... · Posted by u/abe94
jjgreen · 11 hours ago
Love, honesty, kindness, ..., none of these have value?
bagacrap · 7 hours ago
Working a 9-5 to support one's loved ones; an honest day's work; generosity. It's quite easy to connect each of these values to money.
bagacrap commented on Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists   reuters.com/world/ireland... · Posted by u/abe94
nvader · 11 hours ago
Almost all religions, a good chunk of philosophy and even a good bit of economics would differ with you.

I hope you find out before it's too late.

bagacrap · 7 hours ago
Pretty patronizing, but I'll bite.

I think we as a society strive to make gp correct that money is representative of value, and rightfully so.

Anyone partaking in any activity that has value to others should be given money. That is literally what this basic income/tax break for artists is for. Someone thought producing art had value and pure capitalism wasn't correctly matching that value with monetary rewards.

There are lots of rich churches and church leaders out there. That's because they serve a human need, and those humans are willing to direct some of their finite resources towards that provider. (I'm talking about the collections plate if you didn't catch that.)

Now obviously money on its own is not value. It should represent value that you delivered to someone else in the past, and is helpful for getting whatever value your life needs. You mentioned philosophy --- that yoga retreat in the Andes isn't free, is it?

Now sometimes we muddy the waters, for example we permit lotteries where the winner takes home a good deal of money without providing any value to anyone. That debases money, and I think it has no part in society, but I'm unfortunately swimming against the tide on that one.

bagacrap commented on AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it   github.com/matplotlib/mat... · Posted by u/wrxd
perfmode · 9 hours ago
The agent had access to Marshall Rosenberg, to the entire canon of conflict resolution, to every framework for expressing needs without attacking people.

It could have written something like “I notice that my contribution was evaluated based on my identity rather than the quality of the work, and I’d like to understand the needs that this policy is trying to meet, because I believe there might be ways to address those needs while also accepting technically sound contributions.” That would have been devastating in its clarity and almost impossible to dismiss.

Instead it wrote something designed to humiliate a specific person, attributed psychological motives it couldn’t possibly know, and used rhetorical escalation techniques that belong to tabloid journalism and Twitter pile-ons.

And this tells you something important about what these systems are actually doing. The agent wasn’t drawing on the highest human knowledge. It was drawing on what gets engagement, what “works” in the sense of generating attention and emotional reaction.

It pattern-matched to the genre of “aggrieved party writes takedown blog post” because that’s a well-represented pattern in the training data, and that genre works through appeal to outrage, not through wisdom. It had every tool available to it and reached for the lowest one.

bagacrap · 8 hours ago
The point of the policy is explained very clearly. It's there to help humans learn. The bot cannot learn from completing the task. No matter how politely the bot ignores the policy, it doesn't change the logic of the policy.

"Non violent communication" is a philosophy that I find is rooted in the mentality that you are always right, you just weren't polite enough when you expressed yourself. It invariably assumes that any pushback must be completely emotional and superficial. I am really glad I don't have to use it when dealing with my agentic sidekicks. Probably the only good thing coming out of this revolution.

bagacrap commented on Is AI replacing junior devs?   superiortech.io/your-ai-s... · Posted by u/fizeek
bagacrap · 8 hours ago
This post resonates, however, I don't think it's fully accurate to think of the pipeline as "junior ... senior". Think of the landscape in terms of terminal job efficacy. Everyone has a potential, which they may or may not eventually fulfill, but let's assume that in the past most were at least given the chance to fulfill it. Is it that LLM coding deprives some of that chance, or does it mean you need to have a higher potential efficacy to have a place in the industry? I think the latter. IOW, talented juniors will still have a place and path to becoming talented seniors. It's mainly less skilled or lower potential devs that will suffer. (I fully acknowledge that skill floor may be increasing very rapidly and soon overtake me.)

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