I would assume a company like Raytheon has all their processes documented and can quickly spin up a new manufacturing line for a legacy product.
As someone who has worked in this field, I almost spewed coffee out my nose. Thanks for the chuckles.
I would assume a company like Raytheon has all their processes documented and can quickly spin up a new manufacturing line for a legacy product.
As someone who has worked in this field, I almost spewed coffee out my nose. Thanks for the chuckles.
Our current generation of monopolists - Google, Meta, Oracle, Amazon, and still Apple - will they likewise be taken down by government anti-monopoly efforts or allowed to continue indefinitely like major banks? We shall see.
In terms of investor return, I think it's healthy to have some exits like this. A bunch of the money was only in for 2 years, and probably doubled their investment in that time. The rest of the investors got their money back, with something close to NASDAQ returns on top of it. If this was the baseline for the fund instead of going to zero, you wouldn't need unicorns and the questionable growth tactics that go with them.
If founders had 25%, they got "retirement with reasonable luxuries" or "gunpowder to play investor" money of double digit $millions.
If 20-25 employees split an option pool of 15%, it's close to replacing the FAANG opportunity cost.
So totally agree that it's a bit of a "meh" outcome in comparison to financial alternatives, and the pie splitting matters a lot. But it didn't go to zero, and everyone is within a stone's throw of their stock market / FAANG hurdle rates (and it's not like that FAANG career is guaranteed for people who thrive better at startups). And the stories and experiences are a hell of a lot better.
Thanks for providing insight to the process, very fascinating.
Because of the settlement terms I'm not able to name the VC, but I can tell you this kind of behavior is by no means unique to this VC, in fact it's rather de rigueur for the VC and PE worlds. It's even defensible in a way, they owe fiduciary duty to their limited partners, NOT to the common shareholders of the company they invest in.
I currently advise startups seeking financing to either a) only go the VC route if you think you're in megagrowth into the next dropbox et. all or b) you have enough self/family wealth to take VC investment on favorable terms ala stripe.
According to a lawyer who setup our initial investments, this was actually illegal so common investors including myself sued, but was this bankrolled by one of the big early investors as it's incredibly expensive to try and do a shareholder lawsuit against a major VC firm and investment bank. It ended up being settled out of court and that's where my $100,000 came from. The CEO came out a little better, but people who sweated years (and I mean frequent all nighters, weekends, true dedication) ended up with even less than me. And the only reason we even received anything at all was because we had a HNWI common investor who also got screwed and backed the lawsuit, they ended up getting their money back and a small return on investment from what I remember of the settlement terms.
Just a word of caution to founders and early employees of startups to know what they are getting in to and the typical case of what happens (a small or non existent exit is the typical case in a tech startup), even when you see those big number raises and a big sale and you just assume that everyone is making bank.
The "20%" case is typically the best case that happens only in the 1/10,000 chance of extreme fast growth into a new behemoth, OR where the founders are already high net worth individuals or come from high net worth families, and can provide their own money in conjunction with VCs instead of relying on them for most capital.
Because this is all private and not discussed, we tend to only hear of the very exceptional cases, and ignore the vast majority of the non-lottery winners in the startup world.
As Hamlet would say, aye, there’s the rub. Economic collapse is actually far more frequent than is commonly believed, here survivorship bias of the US economy plays a staring role.
In the past century Chinese and Russian investments went to zero, not just stock but land, businesses, private property, it all went to zero. This is the largest country by land area and the largest by population. Given the average lifespan of empires is around 250 years, and the USA is going to be that soon in 2026, it may be even more likely.
Mathematically, do you believe perpetual growth in stock values and in concomitant asset inequality is feasible or even possible? Dubito ergo sum.
BUT sophisticated attackers like US or Israeli governments (and I assume Russian or Chinese but I don’t have direct experience with these) don’t need these backdoors, getting anywhere near your phone is enough to root it to allow installation of spyware, according to my CSO who worked in naval intelligence. There are simply too many vulnerabilities for there to be a hardened device in the consumer space. Some are better than others (Apple) but as Bruce Schneier says, if you are worried about this sort of thing you really have to be totally disconnected from the internet and exchange encrypted physical media.