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addicted commented on Dollar-stores overcharge customers while promising low prices   theguardian.com/us-news/2... · Posted by u/bookofjoe
EGreg · 10 days ago
I'd even go so far as to say that shareholding in PUBLICLY TRADED companies is one of the primary engines of enshittification. Shareholders want to extract rents from the ecosystem, full stop. And if the CEO isn't sociopathic enough about it, they’ll replace them with one who is. Everyone who buys shares at price X wants to sell at >X, forever. That incentive structure alone guarantees a race to the bottom.

How to fix it: let shareholders be gradually bought out—much as slaveholders in Europe were—by (gasp) utility tokenholders. Think Shares in Disney Corp vs Disney Dollars. You transition from extractive shareholders to people who actually use and depend on the ecosystem. That eliminates the parasitic shareholder class that drives most of late-stage capitalist enshittification, rent extraction, and negative externalities.

For clarity, here are just some of those externalities that flow directly from quarterly-earnings-driven incentives:

  destruction of ecosystems
  deforestation and rainforest loss
  collapse of fisheries and ocean systems
  factory farming / industrialized animal suffering
  desertification of farmland
  strip mining and toxic waste dumping
  privatization and depletion of freshwater
  carbon emissions and climate destabilization
  environmental injustice and poisoning of local communities
  lobbying to block regulation and accountability
  social media addiction design for engagement metrics
  monopolization and killing off smaller competitors
  offshoring, wage stagnation, and worker precarity
  financialization of everything (housing, healthcare, education)
  political capture to preserve the whole machine
This is not some random accident, this is the inevitable equilibrium of shareholder primacy.

The entire model of late-stage shareholding is flawed. Corporations exist because governments grant them charters. Government sets the rules for how shares work—and can change those rules. Buying shares is not like buying bonds. Shares are residual claims with far higher risk. So we can absolutely add another risk: that shareholders may be gradually bought out and the institution wound down, the same way the FDR administration forced private gold holders into a buyout under the Gold Reserve Act.

That was far more authoritarian, because gold is a physical asset you own in self-custody. Shares, on the other hand, only exist because a third-party company continues to operate in ways that profit you. That dependency already implies higher risk. Therefore, we can add the additional risk of a structured, government-mandated transition away from extractive shareholder capitalism—just like Europe did when ending slavery. And let's be honest: late-stage financialized shareholding has been a blight on the planet.

And none of this is historically radical. Before the modern era, the idea that shareholders should dominate everything simply didn’t exist.

Pre-1960s:For much of the 20th century, a broader "stakeholder theory" was the norm. Management balanced employees, customers, suppliers, and communities—not just shareholders.

1960s:The turn began with Milton Friedman’s argument that a company’s only responsibility is maximizing shareholder profits (1970 NYT Magazine). 1980s:Shareholder primacy took over.

  Hostile takeovers forced boards into short-termism.
  Executive compensation was tied tightly to stock price.
  Financialization embedded all of this into corporate DNA.
Shareholders were not always in control. Their dominance "waxed and waned," and the current form of shareholder primacy is a late-20th-century financial ideology posing as an eternal law of nature.

If that ideology got us enshittification, ecological collapse, and a sociopathic corporate culture, then yes, we can fix it the same way other harmful institutions were fixed: buy the incumbents out and transition to a saner governance model.

addicted · 10 days ago
I'm curious what you think VCs, etc. who are investing in all these private companies want to do?

The only difference with public companies is we actually have data about their finances.

The private companies are doing it all under wraps.

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addicted commented on J.P. Morgan's OpenAI loan is strange   marketunpack.com/j-p-morg... · Posted by u/vrnvu
chadash · 2 months ago
The math is wrong:

> Cost: $1,000 Case 1 (90%): OpenAI goes bankrupt. Return: $0 Case 2 (9%): OpenAI becomes a big successful company and goes 10x. Return: $1,000 + 5% interest = $1,050 Case 3 (1%): OpenAI becomes the big new thing and goes 100x. Return: $1,000 + 5% interest = $1,050

The actual math is that if OpenAI succeeds, then there's a nod and a wink that JPM will land the lead role in the IPO or any mergers/acquisitions, which translates into huge fees.

addicted · 2 months ago
This is correct.

This isn't a financial transaction. This is a "relationship" transaction.

addicted commented on J.P. Morgan's OpenAI loan is strange   marketunpack.com/j-p-morg... · Posted by u/vrnvu
seanhunter · 2 months ago
What a weird analysis.

A company that has revenues and is extremely well-capitalized gets debt finance. That is not news. That is totally commonplace. "Shouldn't all their capital come from investors?" No. Companies at all stages typically use a mixture of debt and equity finance.

His EV calculation is completely flawed also. Debt finance is typically senior to equity in recovery at bankruptcy, so when JPMC do this analysis (and believe me they did this analysis) they are not assuming 0% recovery. They are thinking it is most likely in a bankruptcy that they get some x>0% recovery.

Finally, banks don't think about their relationship with a multi-billion-dollar company in terms of the ROI on a single revolving credit. (even though this will in all likelihood be very profitable for JPMC). They think about how giving this revolving credit makes it more likely they get advisory on any future bond issuance and I-banking work when OpenAI want to do takeovers, and a foot in the door at IPO time etc.

addicted · 2 months ago
Are there other examples of well capitalized technology startups that have significant revenues that have also opted for significant debt financing?
addicted commented on Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock   techcrunch.com/2025/10/16... · Posted by u/gman83
Aurornis · 2 months ago
This is sci-fi fantasy mixed with paranoia.

The floor plan of every home is not on file, especially older homes.

Police aren’t accessing your floor plan and then accessing your router and combining these into a perfect model that maps people’s locations. Where in this supposed plan are the police deducing the location of your WiFi router in the house and constructing a model of all materials and objects in the house that impact the model?

This just isn’t how those research papers work. It’s not something the police are going to combine with a file from the planning office and magically have a map of you in your house like in a movie.

addicted · 2 months ago
Yeah, your local friendly police officer isn't gonna do that.

They're gonna pay Anduril, Palantir, and a whole host of other business or consulting firms a ton of your money to do that.

The criticism that "it's technically too challenging for the police department therefore its sci-fi" is extremely silly given that the current article literally is about private companies that are building surveillance networks that they will then sell to the police.

Which makes the entire situation a lot worse.

addicted commented on Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock   techcrunch.com/2025/10/16... · Posted by u/gman83
noja · 2 months ago
So combine it with a plan made from a social media posting.
addicted · 2 months ago
Or a Roomba... One of the first things they want to do is make a plan of the house.

But also, don't builders have to submit plans of homes to the local government when building them for approval?

addicted commented on The fix to the iPhone Antennagate in 2010 was 20 bytes   hachyderm.io/@samhenrigol... · Posted by u/todsacerdoti
stephenlf · 2 months ago
I love that this whole thing was a non-fix to a non-issue. The fix didn’t change any signal strength issues. It just changed the UI a bit.
addicted · 2 months ago
This wasn't a non issue. You touched the phone in the wrong places and you would drop off an existing call.

Most people solved this by indeed not "holding it wrong" or getting cases (I don't know if the cases worked, but there was a whole industry built around advertising cases that solved this problem).

addicted commented on The fix to the iPhone Antennagate in 2010 was 20 bytes   hachyderm.io/@samhenrigol... · Posted by u/todsacerdoti
addicted · 2 months ago
There are 2 problems to this.

1. I seriously doubt Apple was accidentally displaying more bars on the phone. If it was a "bars" issue then it was almost certainly done deliberately to make the iPhone reception look better than what it was.

2. It wasn't just bars. I had this phone and you would literally drop off calls by holding the phone differently when you hadn't done anything else. There was a genuine problem with the phone that I don't think was ever resolved other than people getting used to holding the phone differently like Steve Jobs told us to.

I lost my iPhone and switched to a hand me down from my parents which was a generation older and the service was significantly better.

addicted commented on Nearly 20 Percent Fewer International Students Traveled to the U.S. in August   nytimes.com/interactive/2... · Posted by u/Erikun
the_real_cher · 2 months ago
Why not just stay and bring their gifts to their own country?
addicted · 2 months ago
Yup, that's what they will do now.

Which is indeed a benefit for their countries.

And is a loss for the US.

The brain drain was real and the US was the beneficiary and that may be ending soon.

Not sure what your point is? Are you happy that the US will be worse off than it was before?

addicted commented on Nearly 20 Percent Fewer International Students Traveled to the U.S. in August   nytimes.com/interactive/2... · Posted by u/Erikun
ahmeneeroe-v2 · 2 months ago
Huge win for US high school and college students. Not so good for bloated college administrations.
addicted · 2 months ago
Student enrollment in the US is declining and the big problem for colleges the past few years has been a worry about not having enough students. So it's not clear why US students were struggling to get a college spot.

And if you mean them getting spots in the more prestigious institutions, well, it's not clear whether that will even happen (the few thousand international students admitted to the top universities are not the ones that are likely to decline their acceptance letters), but even if it did, well, those universities are simply not as prestigious anymore.

Attracting the best talent from anywhere in the world is a huge part of what created their prestige, and that's even before we get to how they're losing funding, and professors and researchers to other countries.

u/addicted

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