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robenkleene commented on AWS CEO says using AI to replace junior staff is 'Dumbest thing I've ever heard'   theregister.com/2025/08/2... · Posted by u/JustExAWS
hn_throwaway_99 · 3 days ago
> and I commonly see programmers saying thing like "you shouldn't use a debugger"

Sorry, but who TF says that? This is actually not something I hear commonly, and if it were, I would just discount this person's opinion outright unless there were some other special context here. I do a lot of web programming (Node, Java, Python primarily) and if someone told me "you shouldn't use a debugger" in those domains I would question their competence.

robenkleene · 3 days ago
E.g., https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39652860 (no specific comment, just the variety of opinions)

Here's a good specific example https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26928696

robenkleene commented on AWS CEO says using AI to replace junior staff is 'Dumbest thing I've ever heard'   theregister.com/2025/08/2... · Posted by u/JustExAWS
hn_throwaway_99 · 3 days ago
While I agree that AI assisted coding probably works much better for languages and use cases that have a lot more relevant training data, when I read comments from people who like LLM assisted coding vs. those that don't, I strongly get the impression that the difference has a lot more to do with the programmers than their programming language.

The primary difference I see in people who get the most value from AI tools is that they expect it to make mistakes: they always carefully review the code and are fine with acting, in some cases, more like an editor than an author. They also seem to have a good sense of where AI can add a lot of value (implementing well-defined functions, writing tests, etc.) vs. where it tends to fall over (e.g. tasks where large scale context is required). Those who can't seem to get value from AI tools seem (at least to me) less tolerant of AI mistakes, and less willing to iterate with AI agents, and they seem more willing to "throw the baby out with the bathwater", i.e. fixate on some of the failure cases but then not willing to just limit usage to cases where AI does a better job.

To be clear, I'm not saying one is necessarily "better" than the other, just that the reason for the dichotomy has a lot more to do with the programmers than the domain. For me personally, while I get a lot of value in AI coding, I also find that I don't enjoy the "editing" aspect as much as the "authoring" aspect.

robenkleene · 3 days ago
> I strongly get the impression that the difference has a lot more to do with the programmers than their programming language.

The problem with this perspective is that anyone who works on more niche programming areas knows the vast majority of programming discussion online aren't relevant to them. E.g., I've done macOS/iOS programming most of my career, and I now do work that's an order of magnitude more niche than that, and I commonly see programmers saying thing like "you shouldn't use a debugger", which is a statement that I can't imagine a macOS or iOS programmer saying (don't get me wrong they're probably out there, I've just never met or encountered one). So you just become use to most programming conversations being irrelevant to your work.

So of course the majority of AI conversations aren't relevant to your work either, because that's the expectation.

I think a lot of these conversations are two people with wildly different contexts trying to communicate, which is just pointless. Really we just shouldn't be trying to participate in these conversations (the more niche programmers that is), because there's just not enough shared context to make communication effective.

We just all happen to fall under this same umbrella of "programming", which gives the illusion of a shared context. It's true there's some things that are relevant across the field (it's all just variables, loops, and conditionals), but many of the other details aren't universal, so it's silly to talk about them without first understanding the full context around the other persons work.

robenkleene commented on Apple has not destroyed Steve Jobs' vision for iPad   victorwynne.com/vision-fo... · Posted by u/curtblaha
StopDisinfo910 · 6 days ago
Apple likes to present the AppStore as the only thing protecting its users from the Wild West.

Admitting their sandbox could be turned on by default and give the same protection without having to go through their vetting system and giving them their cut would be counterproductive. How would they justify it makes sense on the phones and iPads then?

robenkleene · 6 days ago
There are a couple of problems with the argument you're making:

1. Any app can be sandboxed, not just Mac App Store apps (the only link is that Mac App Store apps require sandboxing).

2. Enforcing sandboxing on macOS would hinder industries Mac users value, per my comment here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44952088 Apple would love to enforce sandboxing by default, because it would serve their long-term strategic goals (moving computing towards devices that benefit from integrated software/hardware), but it hurts their short-term goals (maintaining Apple's [somewhat tenuous these days] penetration across a variety of particularly creative industries) too much to do so.

robenkleene commented on Apple has not destroyed Steve Jobs' vision for iPad   victorwynne.com/vision-fo... · Posted by u/curtblaha
JustExAWS · 6 days ago
The only part of my computer I care about are my own files and of course things like passwords in the Secure Enclave. If the operating system gets hosed (see the former Chrome bug where if you turned System Integrity Protection off and installed Chrome it hosed your entire OS), that’s an annoyance. But recoverable.

It’s actually the concept of an old XKCD

https://xkcd.com/1200/

robenkleene · 6 days ago
It sounds like you're treating "a shared folder" as a synonym to "all user files"? Those aren't the same thing? E.g., a shared folder can be a far smaller subset of all a user's files?

(Also, Apple's sandboxing supports access to a single files, reference https://developer.apple.com/documentation/security/accessing... so not sure if any of this is important anyway.)

robenkleene commented on Apple has not destroyed Steve Jobs' vision for iPad   victorwynne.com/vision-fo... · Posted by u/curtblaha
JustExAWS · 6 days ago
Yes and they are only as far as I know enforced for Mac App Store apps. But once an app has free reign to read and write anywhere on a shared folder, it defeats the purpose as opposed to being able to read and write to the apps own folder and the user can choose a file from another folder explicitly.

But what do sandboxes have to do with greed?

robenkleene · 6 days ago
I comment on the Mac App Store part here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44952088

> But once an app has free reign to read and write anywhere on a shared folder, it defeats the purpose as opposed to being able to read and write to the apps own folder and the user can choose a file from another folder explicitly.

Not sure I'm following this statement, isn't just being able to read/write to a shared folder a large improvement over an app being able to write to the entire file system (user-permissions allowing, granted)? I.e., "it defeats the purpose" seems like an odd phrase to use there? (For the record, I wish all this sandboxing/entitlement-based security stuff didn't exist on desktop computers [my priorities are clearer from my linked to comment], so I'm probably wrong person to ask anyway, but I was missing what you meant there.)

robenkleene commented on Apple has not destroyed Steve Jobs' vision for iPad   victorwynne.com/vision-fo... · Posted by u/curtblaha
scarface_74 · 6 days ago
Isn’t this only enforced for Mac App Store apps?
robenkleene · 6 days ago
I want to just say "yes, obviously". But "obviously" is carrying a lot of weight there. For a TLDR: I think Apple has already gone too far in prioritizing security over the priorities of multimedia editors (e.g., https://insydium.ltd/support-home/manuals/x-particles-video-...).

But something like the After Effects plugin ecosystem I don't think could ever be sandboxed. So it makes sense to have sandboxing conditional based on certain criteria, e.g., the Mac App Store. But even there I'm not sure it makes sense, I suspect we'll never see a Mac-first tier 1 new creative application like Sketch (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sketch_(software)), purely because it's to detrimental to the priorities of that kind of app.

robenkleene commented on Apple has not destroyed Steve Jobs' vision for iPad   victorwynne.com/vision-fo... · Posted by u/curtblaha
StopDisinfo910 · 6 days ago
> It’s not really a solved problem on any desktop platform. Once you download an app on a desktop, it has complete access to all of your files you have access to in user space.

Amusingly, Linux solved that with flatpack.

Applications are installed in their own sandboxed containers and you decide which files they can and can’t access.

The Linux desktop has some very interesting pieces of technology.

Apple could do the same on macOS but that would pierce the veil that their user hostile policies are actually motivated by greed and not security.

robenkleene · 6 days ago
macOS and iOS have sandboxed containers too, and regardless I don't understand your last statement about motivations (i.e., whether Apple platforms have sandboxes relating to greed isn't a clear connection).
robenkleene commented on I tried every todo app and ended up with a .txt file   al3rez.com/todo-txt-journ... · Posted by u/al3rez
don_neufeld · 13 days ago
Just in case it wasn’t obvious, there are a bunch of “Expect X to have happened by now” type tasks in there.

These are basically dead man’s switches to remind me to check on someone else’s progress vs a timeline - ala @patio11’s “dangerous professional”

robenkleene · 13 days ago
GTD (Getting Things Done) has a similar concept called "Waiting for".

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