2021 Model Y.
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LUmBULtERA commented on The $25k car is going extinct? media.hubspot.com/why-the... · Posted by u/pseudolus
What do you mean, "let them in"?
Up until 2024 there were no restrictions on cheap Chinese EVs that didn't apply to any other car. The cheap ~$10k Chinese EVs simply don't meet US safety standards.
There have been Chinese-built EVs sold in the US: https://www.polestar-forum.com/attachments/1000009812-jpg.27...
There has been constant political discourse in the U.S. about keeping cheap Chinese EVs out of the United States (yes, I know Polestar and Volvo are owned by Chinese corporations, they are older and at higher price point). You may have missed this in the last couple years if you're not from the US, but it would be hard to miss if you're from here.
LUmBULtERA commented on The $25k car is going extinct? media.hubspot.com/why-the... · Posted by u/pseudolus
A model Y is not anywhere near an SUV, regardless of classification for tax purposes. It's also not comparable because it is all electric.
The form factor of a typical SUV, such as an X7 or Land Cruiser or Explorer or Suburban, is inherently more wasteful than a minivan. The only thing those offer 99% of people is that they allow the driver to sit higher up, and be able to say they are not driving a minivan. Otherwise, the minivan provides more utility in every way.
>summer roadtrips, ski vacations, visiting family, moving stuff.
All of this stuff (in the manner 99% of people use their vehicle, i.e. not climbing rocky terrain like in the commercials) is easier to do in a minivan than an SUV. And I'm sure an electric minivan would be better than an electric SUV, except at signaling you can afford to forego the extra utility.
Also no, an ID Buzz in an electric minivan, and I wouldn't inherently say it's better than an electric SUV. It gets pretty poor range and efficiency, and so a smaller SUV like a Model Y can make more sense if you don't need that extra storage capacity.
LUmBULtERA commented on The $25k car is going extinct? media.hubspot.com/why-the... · Posted by u/pseudolus
A model Y is not anywhere near an SUV, regardless of classification for tax purposes. It's also not comparable because it is all electric.
The form factor of a typical SUV, such as an X7 or Land Cruiser or Explorer or Suburban, is inherently more wasteful than a minivan. The only thing those offer 99% of people is that they allow the driver to sit higher up, and be able to say they are not driving a minivan. Otherwise, the minivan provides more utility in every way.
>summer roadtrips, ski vacations, visiting family, moving stuff.
All of this stuff (in the manner 99% of people use their vehicle, i.e. not climbing rocky terrain like in the commercials) is easier to do in a minivan than an SUV. And I'm sure an electric minivan would be better than an electric SUV, except at signaling you can afford to forego the extra utility.
The Model Y is commonly understood to be a SUV. You can't just make it not so because it doesn't fit your narrative.
LUmBULtERA commented on The $25k car is going extinct? media.hubspot.com/why-the... · Posted by u/pseudolus
COVID wasn't a good time to buy anything. Companies go where the profits are, if americans were buying tons of smaller cars instead of large trucks and suvs, the companies would be building that.
All Asian/European carmakers have tons of options available everywhere else they could bring here but they don't cos people just don't buy them. Even sedans are harder to sell today, the US is its own cosmos and trying to coerce it into "small family car" when all the ads are about being a rugged f150 driver is very hard.
Look at how people talk about minivans here, all about "the emasculation of men". It would require a lot of leadership to change the market perspective on these cars or americans getting very poor for it to work. It is also incredibly convenient, I myself drive a large SUV that's larger than the average WW2 tank and its insanely convenient to have that much space for a family of 6.
If American car manufacturers think no one will buy them anyway, I think we should let in all the cheap EVs that are available and see how it plays out then. Can't be worse off.
LUmBULtERA commented on The $25k car is going extinct? media.hubspot.com/why-the... · Posted by u/pseudolus
You could get a Mirage on discount at many dealer's lots for 10k just a few years ago, they weren't hot sellers. They were selling at 4% of the volume of the Camry. Drive one and it's immediately obvious why Americans weren't buying them.
Few years ago? Okay, few is 2 or 3 years. I see MSRP for a base model of Mirage in 2023 was $16,245... 2022 was $14,625? When I was buying a car in that time period, there were no discounts below MSRP anywhere I looked for almost anything. Especially anything cheap. I've read a lot of reports of big mark ups for even Mirage's during that time period.
LUmBULtERA commented on The $25k car is going extinct? media.hubspot.com/why-the... · Posted by u/pseudolus
Mandating driving aids (that often don't work properly) won't fix this problem either.
What does increase safety is better driver training. This has be ubiquitously proven BTW.
You've had backup cameras often fail? You must be very unlucky. After many years of driving and riding in cars with backup cameras, I have never seen one not work, let alone "often" not work.
Where is the ubiquitously proven support for the assertion that backup cameras don't increase safety?
LUmBULtERA commented on The $25k car is going extinct? media.hubspot.com/why-the... · Posted by u/pseudolus
99% of people with an SUV will never use the "sport utility" aspect of it, and they could do all of the things you listed better with a minivan (Sienna/Odyssey/etc).
But the driver would have to sit lower in a minivan. Which is what SUVs are really about, the ego boost one gets from sitting higher up (and the associated feelings with being able to not have to settle for a minivan, and being able to waste a little money).
I don't follow this logic at all. We have a Model Y SUV. We use the space of its hatchback and frunk frequently, and it's much more efficient to drive than a Sienna or Odyssey. There's no logical reason to conclude a minivan would be better for our purposes.
LUmBULtERA commented on The $25k car is going extinct? media.hubspot.com/why-the... · Posted by u/pseudolus
Anything that takes control away from me I am not interested in. I am both legally and financially liable for anything the car does. I am also not trusting my life to some poorly maintained software written by someone in another country.
Being legally and financially liable doesn't bring back the kid you ran over because you couldn't see them with your mirrors or turning your head...
LUmBULtERA commented on The $25k car is going extinct? media.hubspot.com/why-the... · Posted by u/pseudolus
The tyre pressure sensor you can make an argument to be required by law as uneven tyre pressures can negatively effect handling.
However the backup camera being required by law is absolutely ridiculous. You can just either use the mirrors or turn your head.
I'm pretty sure backup cameras are required because they reduced children being run over and killed... You can't see a small kid behind your car with by just mirrors or turning your head.