Guys, unless he actually unveils something, just let this lie. _why did some great stuff, but he's just a man (and he wants to be left alone). If he plans on doing something, then let him, and let's discuss it if he does. But this is getting ridiculous and this sleuthing/snooping is uncomfortable. He renewed his domain name. We should be better than making this into news.
So the most favored Rubyist has returned from hiding with a fun new puzzle. Further down, folks are posting interesting stuff about it.
But the finger wagging – people just can't get enough of telling people what they should do and feel. And apparently that's what they want, for behold this top comment.
My point though, is that _why has made it clear that he wants to be left alone, and this HN endeavour seems to violate that. Maybe you're right and it is a new puzzle. And maybe he's back. (For what it's worth I posted that before most of the investigation.) Nevertheless though, given _why's wishes, this makes me uncomfortable, and I don't think it's unreasonable for me to acknowledge that.
No. _why is not a man, it is a persona. Whoever it is that is behind the persona _why can continue to operate as a private citizen in whatever manner he wants. However, when _why does something, it is going to be noticed and talked about.
I agree. If something happens on http://whytheluckystiff.net/ it isn't like a celebrity doing something in his back yard and getting photographed by papparazzi; it's more like a celebrity releasing something via his publicist. Maybe he released something cryptic, maybe it's even premature, but he knows he's messing with something public. Listening to a person's publicist isn't an invasion of privacy.
> But this is getting ridiculous and this sleuthing/snooping is uncomfortable.
Maybe it is but it's pretty clear from the other posts in this thread (posted about the time you posted this) that this is the reaction he was expecting. This is him "doing something". If he didn't want people to snoop he wouldn't have given them something to snoop into.
> If he didn't want people to snoop he wouldn't have given them something to snoop into.
This remark is rather parallel to "she shouldn't dress that way...". If doing something makes some people behave like creeps, its generally the fault of the creeps. And if the would be mystery man is prepping something, I'd rather he unveiled it than a cabal of creepers.
I agree with all the other comments here. You're trying to be that guy who eschews curiosity in an attempt to be mature, but that is not and never has been the type of mentality that leads to success, be it in software or any other field. Curiosity leads to creativity, and creativity leads to success. To swim against the current on this one is hardly admirable.
Also, does anyone else feel like people on Hackernews too often leave comments that deliberately go against the general consensus in a weak attempt to get up votes from fringe users?
When I ask myself what curiosity leads to, the first thing that pops into my head is the 80s commercial for The National Enquirer:
"Inquiring minds want to know!"
Which probably has the lowest correlation to entrepreneurial success as anything else. Curiosity about business or how the world works is different from curiosity about gossip. Gossip is unactionable to any positive outcome.
Here's transcriptions of the texts. There might be some errors, please post corrections (make sure they are transcription errors, and not errors from the original document - there are quite a few of those, perhaps intentional).
IDEAS FOR SALE
(All ideas are sold "as-is" with no warranty implied.
Stories unused within 70 years are forfeit for resale.)
A boy and a girl travel to the beach together, where
they pay a man to xxxxxx receive a bicycle ride from
his monkey. The ride is very uncomfortable, due to
a spoon tied to the seat which keeps whacking their
legs. Nevertheless, they fall in love and are maried.
At the end, the monkey is eating avocado with a spoon.
So that's what it was for. $3
A girl visits a boot store. In one of the racks, she
discovers a village of little people that has ssoraly
been living among the boots. A boy comes off the bus
outside, sees the girl in the store, falls in love and
goes and tells the girl he's in love with her. She
tries to show how the little village works, but he is
only marginally interested in that. They are wed, $1
A man eats corn on top of his house. It is his favorite
pasttime. He marries and dies happy. $3
Adam and Eve are riding bicycles (naked) in the Garden of
Eden. They decide to have a race to see who is the
fastest person in the world. Adam's wheel pops and he
uses the snake St Satan as a replacement tube. $4
A retired police offericer struggles to find acceptances
in the sububan life of Blouder Springs, Colorado. He
befriends a local fishmonger but still must fight his
personal demons. XXX 50
A guy with an enormous chin has the chin surgically
removed and is promptly married. $3
A man who collects prisms finds his house inundated
with refracted light, such that he is transformed into
a superpowerful albino who masquerades at as a wild
horse at night. A local fishmonger feeds the horse and
feeds him a green apple (not knowing the situation here)
which kills the albino half of the guy. So at night now
he's a live horse but is dead albino during the day.
The sheriff's office discovers the dead man and gives
him a proper funeral. During the funeral, the sun sets
and the whole horse body busts through the coffin. $12
A nerdy underappreciated kid wins a raffle and receives
his own Space Shuttle for a week. He installs a soft-serve
ice cream machine onboard and teaches a pet monkey to sit
in the cockpoit. One day, while going home from a birthday
party in space, the shuttle explodes (a la Challenger) $3
-------------
Deep Relationships. Notes on the article
Secrets to deep relationships:
-> asking deep questions
-> talking about deep relationships
with the person.
-> going camping with the person.
-> make the person a part of your
life (this may not work, though think about
it, we live with a mom and dad for many
many years, or we may not know anything deep
about them - might want to ask that person
a deep question to get things going)
-> make up something deep about the
person and then ask "is this true?"
("i heard you have a whole other
side to you that is very interesting
and i want to ask if this is true")
-> avoid using pseudonyms, use your
proper first and last name and avoid
other kinds of lying. (although you might
want to prepare a short
pseudonym that's just for deep relationships -
these special names are code for "i know you
deeper" and don't take pictures of yourself
with the person because pictures make the relation
ship not as deep - unless its a very old picture)
-> touch the person on the arm just once and
no more
-> promise to meet the person one hour from
now in the same spot (secret rendezvous technique,
good for when you're pressed
for time and need a deep relationship.)
-> joke and laugh - these seemingly light things
are surprisingly deep
---------------
On the side of "Life Tips":
deterioration of the
team "social" has made
this a lost art!!
perfect timing
Adam and Eve are riding bicycles (naked) in the Garden of
Eden. They decide to have a race to see who is the
fastest person in the world. Adam's wheel pops and he
uses the snake St Satan as a replacement tube. $4
Imagine turning a snake into a bike tube. You'd end up putting the tail in the mouth. The symbol for a snake eating its own tail is an Ouroboros (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros) representing cyclicality (hohoho bicycles!) especially in "eternal return".
Funnily enough this cyclicality is mentioned in the idea where a man ends up being a dead albino during the day and a wild horse at night. There's a cycle of the man going from dead albino to a wild horse and even a "Rising from the grave" (http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/rise+from+the+grave) in the idea's description.
There's quite a few mentions of love and marriage across the texts. There's also a date on the last message (DESOLEE). Could they be related?
Oooh actually look at the second to last point of NOTES and then look at DESOLEE. Of course 18th of April not in "1 hour" but still ;)
One bit I found interesting in NOTES was "avoid using pseudonyms". Could this be something to do with _why detaching from his persona for the last few years?
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deterioration of the
team "social" has made
this a lost art!!
perfect timing
I think it's supposed to be "term" not "team". I think we all can guess where's he's getting at here though :) (/me looks up the last point in NOTES)
HTTP headers indicate it's being hosted from GitHub pages.
I've confirmed this by looking up the DNS records for the domain; they point to 204.232.175.78 which is the (or an) address of pages.github.com: http://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/204.232.175.78
I can't immediately figure out what repo this is being hosted from; a code search for 'DESOLEE' doesn't show anything, so I'm assuming it's a private repo. But at least we know there are git commits happening.
When I use it (i'm french as a second language), I would usually use it to mean something closer to "sorry about that" or "Sorry, but ...". For example, "Sorry, but the road is closed.". I would not use it in the context "I'm sorry for what I did.". So, it's not a direct translation.
The Ruby community's attitude toward him is absurd, along with the personality cults they've formed around David Heinemeier Hansson and Zed Shaw.
While other programming language communities have their notable figures, there is never as much outright drama surrounding them as we find in the Ruby community. In fact, these Ruby figures are now better known for the drama surrounding them than they are for any software they might've written.
2) Personality cult: Not as sure. I've seen more than one newb told "don't waste your time" on the Poignant guide in Ruby forums. why's weakness as a coder is pretty widely recognized. In my opinion maybe over-estimated, esp. relative to people like DHH.
3) To me - I learned Ruby when Rails was in its infancy and the Agile salesmen had barely just hitched their wagon to it - why represents a more innocent period of the Ruby community.
Ruby was really a wonderful place - not-especially talented programmers could explore relatively sophisticated programming language features in a safe sandbox. Everything you'd been doing with Perl or whatever you could do with blocks and lambdas and even call/cc if you didn't mind a huge performance hit (naturally you didn't.)
Maybe it's nostalgia, but I think there was a time when MINSWAN actually meant something. Now, every doofus with a self-rolled YAML parser thinks he's the Steve Jobs Memorial Arbiter of Proper Design over Earth and All Satellites Thereof.
4) Yes, it is strange. But then, this is a Perl- and Smalltalk-based language from Japan.
Figures in similar communities were older (Larry released Perl in his early thirties, Guido was pushing forty before Python gained traction). They also didn't come up in the era of YouTube, twitter, and archive.org.
Thirty years ago Ruby-style drama would have played out as drunken rant at a post-conference hotel bar, or a snide comment on Usenet, or on an obscure mailing list. Not quite the same.
The Ruby guys didn't have the benefit of age, experience, or a certain amount of professional obscurity.
I don't think that's quite fair. DHH and Zed Shaw are both famously outspoken and controversial, but the only thing why can be accused of is innocent whimsy. And, as far as I can tell, the Ruby community has no personality cult around any of the three men.
What is the "Ruby community", exactly? The set of programmers whose language of choice in certain cases (the web, scripting) is Ruby?
Once you ascribe cult-like groupthink and behavior to a diverse and disconnected group of people who happen to write code in the same language, "leaders" of the cult will emerge from the noise. If you think DHH is some worshipped leader of Ruby programmers, you should read the GitHub comment threads on some of his changes to Rails.
1. Get into a community not particularly known for its maturity.
2. Become semi-famous in said community by publishing a few puzzles and an intro book about programming. Doesn't have to be particularly insightful, mind blowing or even good by common standards as long as it's "quirky" and light hearted.
3. Become a cult symbol by dropping off the internet.
4. Come back after a few years and receive a Second Coming treatment.
5. ???
6. Profit!!!
(Of course I don't think this is an elaborate scheme by this guy and I see nothing wrong in his actions. I am only perplexed and turned off by the drama-seeking mentality of the (supposedly) rational, left-brained individuals that are expected to populate a programming community).
I find everyone that feels a need to dig further into the personal life of a guy who 'quit the internet' because people were digging too far into his personal life to be more annoying, personally.
I take his writing style as just being playful, though.
Mission accomplished: you brought all the wet blankets out. Have you created anything recently of note? Let me know when so I can go into the comments of your thread and pour water all over it.
_why was a notable member of the Ruby community who disappeared without trace one day. He wrote Why's (poignant) Guide to Ruby, which was how many people started learning the language.
while watching this I noticed that the kid in the "tech today live" video mentions his live stream being "usually at saturdays at four pm-." I was unable to make out the rest of what he says, it's around 12:35-12:45 if you would like to hear it yourself. I feel like _why referenced this in SPOOL/DESOLEE with "April the 18th from like four o clock to let's say twelve." April 18th of 2009 (the year this video was made) was a saturday and I'm assuming what I couldn't make out from "tech today live" was some variation of "to twelve." so, "saturday from like four o clock to twelve."
though, even I, am unable to buy into my own crazy theories. I might be insane! I tend to be terrible at these things too.
not quite related to this video, but something I found humorous was the picture he used in SPOOL/DESOLEE http://i.imgur.com/gJR6b.png not too sure but it looks like dogs racing.
So the most favored Rubyist has returned from hiding with a fun new puzzle. Further down, folks are posting interesting stuff about it.
But the finger wagging – people just can't get enough of telling people what they should do and feel. And apparently that's what they want, for behold this top comment.
My point though, is that _why has made it clear that he wants to be left alone, and this HN endeavour seems to violate that. Maybe you're right and it is a new puzzle. And maybe he's back. (For what it's worth I posted that before most of the investigation.) Nevertheless though, given _why's wishes, this makes me uncomfortable, and I don't think it's unreasonable for me to acknowledge that.
Edit: an article about _why, for those not in the know: http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2012/03/...
Or “guy spotted at beach with kids and mystery woman”.
It's “guy publishes new content at his well-known internet domain”.
Maybe it is but it's pretty clear from the other posts in this thread (posted about the time you posted this) that this is the reaction he was expecting. This is him "doing something". If he didn't want people to snoop he wouldn't have given them something to snoop into.
This remark is rather parallel to "she shouldn't dress that way...". If doing something makes some people behave like creeps, its generally the fault of the creeps. And if the would be mystery man is prepping something, I'd rather he unveiled it than a cabal of creepers.
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"Inquiring minds want to know!"
Which probably has the lowest correlation to entrepreneurial success as anything else. Curiosity about business or how the world works is different from curiosity about gossip. Gossip is unactionable to any positive outcome.
Point taken, except that _why seems like just the kind of person who would have of fun making an ARG. Which this kinda sorta almost seems like.
Ideas: a bizarre set of story ideas
http://www.scribd.com/doc/119138391/Ideas
Notes: life tips
http://www.scribd.com/doc/119138393/Notes
Test: A typed test document
http://www.scribd.com/doc/119138394/Test-1
On Pastebin:
Ideas: http://pastebin.com/WSfmLDA5
Life tips: http://pastebin.com/PTF4cfDJ
Test: http://pastebin.com/BExqVKpv
--------------
Full texts (same as Pastebin):
--------------
------------- ---------------On the side of "Life Tips":
---------------Test:
Funnily enough this cyclicality is mentioned in the idea where a man ends up being a dead albino during the day and a wild horse at night. There's a cycle of the man going from dead albino to a wild horse and even a "Rising from the grave" (http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/rise+from+the+grave) in the idea's description.
Oh.. and here's some info about the symbolism of horses: http://www.whats-your-sign.com/horse-symbol-meanings.html
---
There's quite a few mentions of love and marriage across the texts. There's also a date on the last message (DESOLEE). Could they be related?
Oooh actually look at the second to last point of NOTES and then look at DESOLEE. Of course 18th of April not in "1 hour" but still ;)
One bit I found interesting in NOTES was "avoid using pseudonyms". Could this be something to do with _why detaching from his persona for the last few years?
---
I think it's supposed to be "term" not "team". I think we all can guess where's he's getting at here though :) (/me looks up the last point in NOTES)---
/me takes tinfoil hat off
What this means is simple: _why switched to Perl 6.
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0. Since 2012-12-09, the following content was available at http://whytheluckystiff.net/
0.0. The style of writing and handwriting corresponds to that of Why.0.1. Prints are very regular. There are 4.4 days between the first two, and 5 between the last two.
1. Going to those addresses yields, in essence, the following data: http://d.pr/i/qwo8
2. Now the following content is available:
2.0. The headers that are sent back from the server changed. The difference is shown in this picture: http://i.imgur.com/6mMPQ.png2.1. It happened within 12 hours of this very thread.
2.2. DESOLEE is the french for "sorry", from a woman.
2.3. It is 2012, not 2013 (may be a typo).
3. Going to this address yields: http://www.scribd.com/doc/119155590/DESOLEE
3.0. A date of April the 18th is stated as the return of the printer queue.
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I've confirmed this by looking up the DNS records for the domain; they point to 204.232.175.78 which is the (or an) address of pages.github.com: http://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/204.232.175.78
I can't immediately figure out what repo this is being hosted from; a code search for 'DESOLEE' doesn't show anything, so I'm assuming it's a private repo. But at least we know there are git commits happening.
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While other programming language communities have their notable figures, there is never as much outright drama surrounding them as we find in the Ruby community. In fact, these Ruby figures are now better known for the drama surrounding them than they are for any software they might've written.
It's really quite strange.
1) Drama: fair point.
2) Personality cult: Not as sure. I've seen more than one newb told "don't waste your time" on the Poignant guide in Ruby forums. why's weakness as a coder is pretty widely recognized. In my opinion maybe over-estimated, esp. relative to people like DHH.
3) To me - I learned Ruby when Rails was in its infancy and the Agile salesmen had barely just hitched their wagon to it - why represents a more innocent period of the Ruby community.
Ruby was really a wonderful place - not-especially talented programmers could explore relatively sophisticated programming language features in a safe sandbox. Everything you'd been doing with Perl or whatever you could do with blocks and lambdas and even call/cc if you didn't mind a huge performance hit (naturally you didn't.)
Maybe it's nostalgia, but I think there was a time when MINSWAN actually meant something. Now, every doofus with a self-rolled YAML parser thinks he's the Steve Jobs Memorial Arbiter of Proper Design over Earth and All Satellites Thereof.
4) Yes, it is strange. But then, this is a Perl- and Smalltalk-based language from Japan.
Thirty years ago Ruby-style drama would have played out as drunken rant at a post-conference hotel bar, or a snide comment on Usenet, or on an obscure mailing list. Not quite the same.
The Ruby guys didn't have the benefit of age, experience, or a certain amount of professional obscurity.
Once you ascribe cult-like groupthink and behavior to a diverse and disconnected group of people who happen to write code in the same language, "leaders" of the cult will emerge from the noise. If you think DHH is some worshipped leader of Ruby programmers, you should read the GitHub comment threads on some of his changes to Rails.
2. Become semi-famous in said community by publishing a few puzzles and an intro book about programming. Doesn't have to be particularly insightful, mind blowing or even good by common standards as long as it's "quirky" and light hearted.
3. Become a cult symbol by dropping off the internet.
4. Come back after a few years and receive a Second Coming treatment.
5. ???
6. Profit!!!
(Of course I don't think this is an elaborate scheme by this guy and I see nothing wrong in his actions. I am only perplexed and turned off by the drama-seeking mentality of the (supposedly) rational, left-brained individuals that are expected to populate a programming community).
The community is like a boiling pot. Sure, handle it the wrong way and you might get turned off, but there is a lot of energy there.
Drama happens when you have a bunch of opinionated people who care deeply about their craft expressing their opinions.
If you can ignore the drama, i think you'll find the creativity more than makes up for it.
I take his writing style as just being playful, though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krb2OdQksMc
import irony
The first three files had spool dates
The latest? I suspect this may have been around for a month, while he waited for somebody to notice it. Then, when we noticed, he swapped in the new one.Also, according to the converted DESOLEE (http://www.scribd.com/doc/119155590/DESOLEE) file, something's happening on April 18, "from like four o clock to lets say twelve"
Edit: Apparently there was also a SPOOL/YOU
No idea the timestamp on that one, but it seemed to be just before SPOOL/DESOLEE
though, even I, am unable to buy into my own crazy theories. I might be insane! I tend to be terrible at these things too.
not quite related to this video, but something I found humorous was the picture he used in SPOOL/DESOLEE http://i.imgur.com/gJR6b.png not too sure but it looks like dogs racing.