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mrDmrTmrJ · a day ago
To be clear, this is not a power-point program but a continuation of a long-standing design work with Bell.

Two articles that cover this in depth are: 1. Revised Fold-Away Rotor Aircraft Concepts Emerge From Special Operations X-Plane Program. December 2024: https://www.twz.com/air/revised-fold-away-rotor-aircraft-con...

2. Bell’s Plan To Finally Realize A Rotorcraft That Flies Like A Jet But Hovers Like A Helicopter. September 2021: https://www.twz.com/41997/bells-plan-to-finally-realize-a-ro...

The second article covers decades of prior wind tunnel testing on the folding rotor concept.

trhway · 21 hours ago
> continuation of a long-standing design work with Bell.

sunk investment. The success - it made into production in meaningful numbers - of V-22 means that design will be beaten to death.

Even though Bell X-22 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFdV5CVXGGw) was much better as prop VTOL than V-22, and for jet VTOL Ryan XV-5 Vertifan (look how great it is flying https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwvkjFIYWR8 ) was much better than F-35 has been and X-76 will be.

And giving pilotless future of combat air, a tail sitter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tail-sitter will work great in pilotless version not needing all that folding/tilting hardware. A pilotless would also not have to have at least double engines/etc for reliability (and the monstrosity of interconnect between those 2 engines like V-22 has and X-76 is bound to have).

moralestapia · a day ago
>decades of prior wind tunnel testing on the folding rotor concept

Oof, I wish I had a job like that.

trhway · 20 hours ago
join an enterprise software BigCo.
username223 · 16 hours ago
> Oof, I wish I had a job like that.

Focus on something and become one of the best in the world at it. Expertise pays.

dmbche · a day ago
rootusrootus · a day ago
The Osprey has a reputation, for sure, but it's mid-pack. They called the F-104 the widow maker for a reason, for example. And the F-16 has a fairly high accident rate, too, slightly higher than the Osprey. Though I think the F-16's history is a bit more lopsided, they made some changes after early production airframes proved pretty accident prone.
hyperific · 20 hours ago
Maybe the Osprey's reputation is due not only to the accident rate but also to the fatality rate. A fatal accident in a standard F-16 (not the 2 seater), assuming no one outside the plane is killed, means 1 death. A fatal accident in a V-22 with the same assumptions would have a minimum of 2 deaths (pilot and copilot) at a soft maximum of 26 deaths (2 crew + 24 passengers, possibly more if overloaded).
nstj · 19 hours ago
> The Starfighter had a poor safety record, especially in Luftwaffe service. The Germans lost 292 of 916 aircraft and 116 pilots from 1961 to 1989, leading the German public to dub it Witwenmacher ("widowmaker").[0]

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_F-104_Starfighter

sedatk · a day ago
In Turkey, F-104 was called “flying coffin”.
conorbergin · a day ago
The Osprey's accident rate is not that bad, and the US Army have ordered a new smaller tiltrotor, the v280.
owlninja · a day ago
They officially named it recently to the 'MV-75'.
burnt-resistor · a day ago
L PRGB CHIP BURN

Any time there are planetaries or splines attached to jet engines, it's a really weak spot. This holds for ordinary turboprops too.

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GorbachevyChase · 18 hours ago
I was wondering why we’ve already give up on the harrier.
laughing_man · 17 hours ago
The Harrier is obsolete.
aksss · 17 hours ago
Well, it's a jet from the 60's, can only scrape mach 1 on the downhill, is in a CAS role, primarily. Cool jet, but it's old tech.
burnt-resistor · 13 hours ago
It was deafening too many pilots and Boeing, Lockheed, and Northrop needed more money. /s

The F-35B can also do Mach 1.6 and the stealth thing.

Some country should give that Pepsi contest winner a demil Harrier in lieu of Frontier Airline miles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_v._Pepsico%2C_Inc.

yabones · a day ago
The next generations of accidents are going to be even more looney-tunes in nature.

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PowerElectronix · a day ago
It looks like a maintenance nightmare with those clutches to decouple the blades and the mechanisms to have them folded during cruising. Does it even improve substantially in anh metric over the V280 to put money into it?
carabiner · a day ago
All military aircraft are maintenance nightmares. They're also extraordinarily loud and devour fuel. These are not intended to entire commercial service where they need to turn a profit for the operators.
jjk166 · a day ago
Maintenance is an issue for more than just profitability. More maintenance means fewer sorties in a given time period, heavier reliance on and utilization of supply chains, and fewer platforms that can be serviced by a given set of mechanics and facilities.

Just look at WW2: Germany had some fantastic equipment, but they couldn't field it because they didn't have the fuel, spare parts and the maintenance capabilities available. A tiger could kill 10 Shermans, but the Americans could always bring up an 11th Sherman.

For decades we have been able to afford complacency - we strike when we're ready against people who mostly can't strike back. We can afford to be wasteful because we have so much more than anyone we would go up against. No one is seriously threatening our ability to keep our military going. But militaries need to be prepared for peer conflicts where someone could give us a run for our money.

jcgrillo · a day ago
The F-35s train over my house. When the business end of the engine points downward it rattles the windows and sounds like freedom.
giancarlostoro · a day ago
> They're also extraordinarily loud and devour fuel.

Steal helicopters have entered the chat.

cucumber3732842 · a day ago
The V280 is designed to be cheap (a very relative term here).

Reading between the lines, I suspect "fast, but also expensive" was a design option that popped up and was not chosen earlier in the V280 program and now Darpa wants to pay to see where it goes.

Zigurd · a day ago
Hard to be more expensive than F-35B.
roysting · 19 hours ago
The Congressional Country Club doesn't pay for itself, bud.
rluna828 · a day ago
it also has stealth. This is a complete disaster. The only purpose of this stealth ship is to steal leaders and or go inside cave lairs and blow them up.
budman1 · a day ago
without stealth, an aircraft will survive about 5 minutes in contested airspace.
lazzurs · 12 hours ago
All these comments and not one single reference to Airwolf.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airwolf

throwaway2037 · 8 hours ago
Under "Plot", I see:

    > The fictional Airwolf is an advanced prototype supersonic helicopter with stealth capabilities and a formidable arsenal.
I watched that show for years as a kid. I never knew it was both supersonic and stealth. Damn, DARPA must be jealous.

lproven · 9 hours ago
I read this last night.

AFAICS it's a turbojet tilt-rotor with folding rotors? Is that a fair summary?

Sounds fun but also somewhat terrifying. The more complexity, the lower the MTBF.

porphyra · a day ago
Cool, I guess this should be able to hover in much more "austere" environments than the F-35B STOVL and the Harrier Jet. Tiltrotor with folding rotor blades sounds very mechanically complex and challenging though.
elif · 9 hours ago
Not a substantial enough speed increase to powerfully deter air defenses.

I guess the idea is that you ground transport it past air defenses and accomplish objectives?

throwaway2037 · 8 hours ago
The linked page from DARPA says:

    > Achieve cruise at speeds exceeding 400 knots
Google tells me that a Boeing 737 flies (cruises) at 430–470 knots. Also, the A-10 Warthog only cruises at 300 knows.

You wrote:

    > Not a substantial enough speed increase to powerfully deter air defenses.
For modern air defenses like the Russian S-400 Triumf, pretty much all of their missiles can easily outrun (or catch!) any modern fighter jet. In your view, what speed would be "substantial enough"?

jrjeksjd8d · 8 hours ago
The role of the Osprey has, as I understand, been to transport troops into an area after it has been bombed to shit. In such a situation you've already destroyed the air defenses (or you're fighting guerillas who are relying on portable anti-air weapons)
elif · 5 hours ago
1000 lbs is not a lot of troops
rozab · a day ago
It's cool they actually still commission concept paintings like this
smlacy · a day ago
That background looks like AI for sure though?