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Posted by u/bmadduma 5 days ago
Tell HN: AI coding is sexy, but accounting is the real low-hanging target
Working on automating small business finance (bookkeeping, reconciliation, basic reporting).

One thing I keep noticing: compared to programming, accounting often looks like the more automatable problem:

It’s rule-based Double entry, charts of accounts, tax rules, materiality thresholds. For most day-to-day transactions you’re not inventing new logic, you’re applying existing rules.

It’s verifiable The books either balance or they don’t. Ledgers either reconcile or they don’t. There’s almost always a “ground truth” to compare against (bank feeds, statements, prior periods).

It’s boring and repetitive Same vendors, same categories, same patterns every month. Humans hate this work. Software loves it.

With accounting, at least at the small-business level, most of the work feels like:

normalize data from banks / cards / invoices

apply deterministic or configurable rules

surface exceptions for human review

run consistency checks and reports

The truly hard parts (tax strategy, edge cases, messy history, talking to authorities) are a smaller fraction of the total hours but require humans. The grind is in the repetitive, rule-based stuff.

notahacker · 5 days ago
Lots of this is already being done (and using computers to check books balanced predates latest gen AI by some decades). But of course what accountants actually get paid for is tax strategy, edge cases, messy history and talking to authorities (or at least having their stamp of approval on it if the authorities come calling). There's plenty of market for writing software to automate aspects of invoice reconciliation or monitoring accounts for exceptions, but competition already exists...
jononor · 5 days ago
At the SMB scale accountants are mostly paid to coach/pester/goade the employees to hand in the necessary paperwork in time. The accountants job is relatively quick from there on.
RaftPeople · 5 days ago
> At the SMB scale accountants are mostly paid to coach/pester/goade the employees to hand in the necessary paperwork in time.

The perfect job for AI.

missedthecue · 11 hours ago
"It’s verifiable. The books either balance or they don’t. Ledgers either reconcile or they don’t. There’s almost always a “ground truth” to compare against (bank feeds, statements, prior periods). It’s boring and repetitive. Same vendors, same categories, same patterns every month. Humans hate this work. Software loves it."

These are all true statements, but all of those things are solvable with classic software. Quickbooks has done this for decades now. The parts of accounting that aren't solvable with classic computing are generally also not solvable by adding LLMs into the mix.

Kiboneu · 7 hours ago
This conviction doesn't seem to acknowledge the problem at scale. Decades of great UI development will still leave out edge cases that users will need to use the tool for. This happens fundamentally because the people who need to use the tools are not the people who make them, they rarely even talk to each other (instead they are "studied" via analytics).

When /humans/ bring up the idea of integrating LLMs into UIs, I think most of the time the sentiment comes from legitimate frustration about how the UI is currently designed. To be clear, this is a very different thing than a company shimming copilot into the UI, because the way these companies use LLMs is by delegating tasks away from users rather than improving their existing interfaces to complete these tasks themselves. There are /decades/ of HCI research on adaptive interfaces that address this, in the advent of expert systems and long before LLMs -- it's more relevant than ever, yet in most implemenations it's all going out the window!

My experience with accounting ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H bookkeeping / LLMs in general resonates with this. In gnu cash I wanted to bulk re-organize some transactions, but I couldn't find a way to do it quickly through the UI. All the books are kept in a SQL db, I didn't want to study the schema. I decided to experiment by getting the LLM to emit a python script that would make the appropriate manipulations to the DB. This seemed to take the best from all worlds -- the script was relatively straightforward to verify, and even though I used a closed source model, it had no access to the DB that contained the transactions.

Sure, other tools may have solved this problem directly. But again, the point isn't to expect someone to make a great tool for you, but to have a tool help you make it better for you. Given the verifiability, maybe this /is/ in fact one of the best places for this.

alex7o · 11 hours ago
They might not be solvable but you can get 5-10% Improvement on them, unfortunately you can't do a new product that is exactly like QuickBooks but 5% better at reconciliation etc.
danudey · 8 hours ago
LLMs by their inherent nature cannot be relied on to be true and correct, which by coincidence are the only traits that matter in accounting.

If you want better software, then sure, maybe a coding assistant can help you write it faster, but when it comes to actually doing accounting I would not rely on an LLM in any way shape or form any more than I would do so for law.

Acct-Man · 5 days ago
I’m an accountant (CPA, CMA, Big 4), and while there’s some truth in what you’re saying, you’re significantly underestimating the complexity of applying GAAP, or even tax law. What you’re describing is really bookkeeping, not accounting, and there are plenty of tools that already automate that.

There’s a lot of subjectivity in how GAAP is applied and interpreted - creating accruals, deciding when revenue should be recorded, blah blah.

clarle · 11 hours ago
Isn't that the benefit of LLM-powered accounting over existing rules-based software?

LLMs can help to handle the subjectivity in how GAAP is applied and provide justifications, which previous rules-based tax software could not before.

HillRat · 11 hours ago
You have the same problem that you have with legal LLMs; an LLM is incapable of providing legal or regulatory-involved advice, and anyone using an LLM for such purposes (even leaving aside hallucinations) forfeits any justifiable reliance defense. There's a role for LLMs, but no one with legal responsibility over reporting could or would possibly rely on an LLM for complex regulatory and rules analysis, not when there's the risk of your wardrobe being replaced with orange jumpsuits.
fnordpiglet · 11 hours ago
Yeah exactly. This is where an LLM could really shine. The trick though is consistency and that it’s often more on the basis of how the organization typically treats something and rationale to its applicability to GAAP. The creation and consistent adherence to internal standards and providing them and proving them to auditors is the key and LLMs would need infra to accomplish this.
habinero · 11 hours ago
No, absolutely the opposite. LLMs are terrible at things that require judgment and justifications, because they don't reason. They come up with something that sounds plausible.

That's not good enough when you're dealing with matters that can lead to civil or even criminal liability. Errors can be incredibly expensive to fix, if they can be fixed at all.

With a CPA or attorney, you at least have recourse if they screw up. You don't with LLMs.

nrhrjrjrjtntbt · 4 days ago
There is a big gap between bookkeeping and GAAP. E.g. your typical middle class with business expenses and some rental properties in different states.
gopalv · 5 days ago
This is roughly what my startup is doing, automating financials.

We didn't pick this because it was super technical, but because the financial team is the closest team to the CEO which is both overstaffed and overworked at the same time - you have 3-4 days of crunch time for which you retain 6 people to get it done fast.

This was the org which had extremely methodical smart people who constantly told us "We'll buy anything which means I'm not editing spreadsheets during my kids gymnastics class".

The trouble is that the UI that each customer wants has zero overlap with the other, if we actually added a drop-down for each special thing one person wanted, this would look like a cockpit & no new customer would be able to do anything with it.

The AI bit is really making the required interface complexity invisible (but also hard to discover).

In a world where OpenAI is Intel and Anthropic is AMD, we're working on a new Excel.

However, to build something you need to build a high quality message passing co-operating multi-tasking AI kernel & sort of optimize your L1 caches ("context") well.

aristofun · 5 days ago
It is already quite automated to my knowledge.

And it is a very poor fit for moderm LLM based AI. Because accuracy. No mistakes or hallucinations allowed.

mierz00 · 5 days ago
I disagree on this, there are plenty of problems in accounting that an LLM can help with.

I’ve built some software[0] that analyses general ledgers and uses LLMs to call out any compliance issues by looking at transaction and account descriptions.

Is it perfect, nope. But it’s a hell of a lot better than sifting through thousands of transactions manually which accountants do and get wrong all the time.

[0] - https://ledgeroptic.com

krapp · 5 days ago
> But it’s a hell of a lot better than sifting through thousands of transactions manually which accountants do and get wrong all the time.

I still wonder why humans getting things wrong is a problem, but LLMs getting more things more wrong more often than humans never is. At the very least you'll need a human accountant around to verify the LLM. Or I guess you could just practice "vibe accountancy" and hope things work out but that seems like a worse idea than a trained human professional. But I'm probably just a Luddite.

Also, I am admittedly not an accountant, but I don't think they manually sift through every transaction to verify compliance issues in every single case. That probably isn't how that works.

aristofun · 2 days ago
> I disagree on this

How can you disagree with the fact?

Some specific examples (like the one you mentioned, _adjacent_ to accounting per se) don't disprove the main point that 100% accuracy is fundamentally impossible with LLMs, while critical for all key accounting aspects.

bmadduma · 5 days ago
I should say upfront I don’t hate humans or CPAs.

What I’m working on is the opposite of that. I want to free humans from boring, repetitive finance work so they can use their time for higher-value and more creative things.

While building an “AI CFO” for small businesses (LayerNext), I’ve learned a few things that changed how I see bookkeeping:

Most of bookkeeping is repetitive and under-optimized. Everyone says “90% of the work is repetitive,” but we still hire bookkeepers and bookkeeping firms. Most small businesses I talk to pay around $300–$800 per month just for bookkeeping. Even after paying that, I really doubt every single transaction is recorded in the most tax-optimized way. There are hundreds of transactions, constant government tax rule changes, and limited time.

Current automation is stuck at rules you manually define. Tools like QuickBooks can categorize transactions based on rules you create. That’s it. As soon as something new comes up, you still need a human to either, create a new rule, or manually enter and categorize it.

And even when you hire a human bookkeeper, you still end up doing half the work anyway: sending receipts, answering clarification emails, chasing missing information.

Invoice and expense capture can be 100% automated, even with edge cases In practice, invoice and expense capture is the easy part. With decent models, you can get 100% accurate capture from receipts, PDFs, emails, etc. Edge cases are solvable with better parsing and validation, not more humans.

Reconciliation is the hard part, but reasoning models are getting very good. This is where things get tricky: - multiple invoices paid in a single payment - partial payments - refunds, chargebacks, etc.

For example, imagine a consulting company issuing several invoices to the same customer and receiving one lump-sum payment. We’ve had success using deep research like reasoning to match payments to invoices and handle those cases automatically.

AI can sometimes care more about details than a human. One moment that surprised me.We had a credit card transaction with no receipt.

The question was whether it should be classified as “office expense” or “meals and entertainment” (in Canada these have different tax treatments). When I checked trace of the agent, it looked up the vendor online to understand what they actually sell, checked CRA tax rules and then picked the GL account that maximized the tax benefit for the company.

I’m not sure many manual bookkeepers consistently do that level of research when they’re trying to reconcile 500+ transactions and half the receipts are missing.

My goal is to build a fully automated financial assistant that can close the books without a CPA or bookkeeper, with ~99% accuracy across all transactions, and with the explicit goal of maximizing tax benefits within the rules.

Other outcome is accurate rea-time books can generate good insights to grow the business.

So I don’t see a good reason why small businesses should pay hundreds of dollars per month for humans to do mechanical work that machines can now do, often more consistently and with better attention to tax details.

Curious how others see this, especially CPAs and engineers who have built accounting tools. Is there a fundamental reason we need humans in the loop for the majority of small business bookkeeping, or is it mostly inertia and habit?

SeriousM · 11 hours ago
Nust yesterday I built a reconciliation helper for my budget. Claud Sonnet 4.5 is a beast. It got my iterative instructions and built a tool that pinpoints me the issues. Fast, beautiful, complete.

That's what LLMs are for. TOOL BUILDERS

reachableceo · 11 hours ago
What you are talking about is called financial operations.

And yes , automating that , very valuable.

Really you want an AI interface to a rules engine / system.

Embed with some companies finops teams if you can. Especially the software engineers who are in finops.

nitwit005 · 5 days ago
If you look through the documentation for something like Quickbooks, most of what you're discussing is already there.

If you want complex custom rules, and integration with other systems, you're looking at something like SAP.

dzonga · 5 days ago
and there's a huge valley in between of tasks mostly done by humans e.g an A.I negotiate with the tax authority for you - for the amount you owe.

can A.I find some edge case deductions. again people out of their depth about certain fields making authoritative statements.

0xCE0 · 3 days ago
Make sure you eat your own dog food by doing your own company's accounting 100 % with your own product. Because if you don't dare to trust fully your accounting on it, why would anybody else.