Shout out to the gulf stream for keeping Ireland's climate significantly more temperate than our Canadian latitude neighbours. As kids when we looked out to sea on the west coast we thought next stop was New York, but it's more like Newfoundland. If (when?) the gulf stream gets significantly disrupted it's gonna be a major shock
Interesting. Is there other research on this? How well tested is the mode?
It is something i have wondered about because proximity to the heat in the sea is clearly an important factor too, so i am interested. Surely the Gulf Stream must have some impact?
Ireland's climate policies, whether adequate or inadequate, can have very little affect on the evolution of the AMOC, or any other large-scale climactic phenomenon. There are vastly more influential factors at play all around the world.
"As far as current models suggest, we conclude that the risk of a northern AMOC shutdown is greater than previously thought,” Drijfhout and his colleagues wrote.
Latitude is one factor but not the sole factor, proximity to oceans/seas for example matters as well as it has a moderating influence in both dimensions - not a coincidence that the coldest states in the continental US are all northern and in the center of the landmass.
Other factors are things like prevailing winds, mountain ranges, altitude and so on and on - the climate system is one of the most complex systems on the planet and even with decades of heavy study and insanely fast computers we still struggle to predict it accurately out past a week or two at most with any degree of success.
I always thought it was funny that the north of the US becomes as snow paradise in the winter, while most of Germany, which is at Canada level, just becomes a bit colder version of autumn at that time.
A map that also shows the difference between winter and summer for day length would be great. It is down right quaint hearing people bitch about the hour of change that DST does compared to the near 6 hours that nature has already taken. (Note, this doesn't require contextualizing to across the ocean.)
Similarly, for storms and such, knowing just how different the east coast of the US is compared to many of the places that people came from is amusing. What I thought of as normal rain is evidently comparable to the gods wanting to kill you. Always amusing when people ask, "doesn't it rain a lot in Seattle" for me. I don't know that I would have called what we get rain.
I mind DST because I have to consider clock changes, not because I care how many hours of sunlight are in the period between 6h and 18h. Even the extreme of Arctic winter is annoying only because 4h looking similar to 16h messes with your awareness of time until you adopt a structured schedule.
And that was largely a fair point back before we had everything managed by computers. Nowadays, I'd wager the vast majority of folks didn't realize their phone's changed overnight. My kids certainly didn't realize it.
Not that I don't think we couldn't have a better system. But nobody likes my idea of "base it on the month with 6 going up 10 minutes and 6 going down." Well... I think some folks like the idea, but nobody (including me) thinks that is where we are headed.
Most of the eastern US gets more inches of precipitation than Seattle. But there are few places (mostly in a band from eastern Ohio and West Virginia, across Upstate New York, through to northern New England) that have more days with measurable precipitation than Seattle.
Someone also pulled data on the fifty largest cities: https://www.acsh.org/news/2019/01/16/how-rainy-seattle-its-n.... Seattle is 32nd for amount of rain but 5th (behind Buffalo, Cleveland, and Pittsburgh in the band I mentioned, and also its neighbor Portland) for number of rainy days.
I think that is basically the map I was asking for, so kudos on that. I still think it fails to capture what it means to be a rainy day. Is about like when Seattle has a snow day. If you are from a place that actually gets snow, you'd scoff at us calling it a snow storm.
I think my favorite is the few times it thunders. People would all move to windows in a sort of awe at the loud noise.
I really missed the good, intense thunderstorms of the US southeast when I lived in Seattle. Seattle gets a good misting from time to time, but I almost never bothered with rain gear or an umbrella while living there.
Exactly. It really makes the discussions around how loud fireworks are kind of hard to listen to. It isn't that they are wrong. More that it was a regular thing for storms to shake the house. Our dogs were terrified of "what the F is happening out there." On the regular.
It would also be interesting to see a version corrected for the warmer temperatures due to Atlantic currents. Although that might cause some sort of near-Atlantic or near-Mediterranean "skew" in the map rather than the whole map dropping or raising by some amount, but maybe adjusting the whole map could be a reasonable first approximation.
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Here is research that argues to the contrary: https://www.americanscientist.org/article/the-source-of-euro...
It is something i have wondered about because proximity to the heat in the sea is clearly an important factor too, so i am interested. Surely the Gulf Stream must have some impact?
I don't know how valid a climate comparison based purely on latitude is though... Surely Egypt is generally warmer than Florida?
Other factors are things like prevailing winds, mountain ranges, altitude and so on and on - the climate system is one of the most complex systems on the planet and even with decades of heavy study and insanely fast computers we still struggle to predict it accurately out past a week or two at most with any degree of success.
https://www.bytemuse.com/post/interactive-equivalent-latitud...
Checking the map -- same latitude as Rome.
"Ok son. Close the window."
https://youtu.be/Xm6khNRIGhE?t=334
Similarly, for storms and such, knowing just how different the east coast of the US is compared to many of the places that people came from is amusing. What I thought of as normal rain is evidently comparable to the gods wanting to kill you. Always amusing when people ask, "doesn't it rain a lot in Seattle" for me. I don't know that I would have called what we get rain.
Not that I don't think we couldn't have a better system. But nobody likes my idea of "base it on the month with 6 going up 10 minutes and 6 going down." Well... I think some folks like the idea, but nobody (including me) thinks that is where we are headed.
Most of the eastern US gets more inches of precipitation than Seattle. But there are few places (mostly in a band from eastern Ohio and West Virginia, across Upstate New York, through to northern New England) that have more days with measurable precipitation than Seattle.
Someone also pulled data on the fifty largest cities: https://www.acsh.org/news/2019/01/16/how-rainy-seattle-its-n.... Seattle is 32nd for amount of rain but 5th (behind Buffalo, Cleveland, and Pittsburgh in the band I mentioned, and also its neighbor Portland) for number of rainy days.
I think my favorite is the few times it thunders. People would all move to windows in a sort of awe at the loud noise.
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