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davisr · 3 months ago
If you think this kind of reporting is cool, you should donate to https://fair.org.

Fairness and Accuracy In Reporting (FAIR) has been exposing two-faced news for decades. They are worthy of your attention.

jonas21 · 3 months ago
FAIR has its own biases, and these can be quite strong (have a glance at the studies on their website and judge for yourself).

IMO, the Columbia Journalism Review (https://www.cjr.org) is a better source for media criticism.

senderista · 3 months ago
FAIR has always been like this since the 80s. I don't really expect these media watchdogs to be "neutral" though; it's enough that they only call out bias against their favored positions. If there are enough such orgs across the spectrum then they serve their purpose.
mmooss · 3 months ago
Also Nieman Lab: https://www.niemanlab.org/

Press Gazette (UK): https://pressgazette.co.uk/

A great daily aggregator (with links to more) is Mediagazer: https://mediagazer.com/

metabagel · 3 months ago

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pyuser583 · 3 months ago
Fair has its own issues - or did last I checked which was a while ago.

They used to claim reporters were biased towards the right. That used to be a left-wing claim, but it’s no longer credible. Something like 90% of reporters are left-wing.

Maybe they’ve reformed, and aren’t in the business of providing partisan talking points anymore.

jquery · 3 months ago
>90% of reporters are left wing

Citation very much needed. Also, what percent of reporting news organization owners are left wing?

bpt3 · 3 months ago
They're so far left that nearly everyone seems right wing to them.

It's a persistent problem for people on the fringes of the political spectrum. I guess if they were aware of this, they probably wouldn't be on the fringe in the first place.

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BeetleB · 3 months ago
I second that. When I was a news junkie, I would love reading their (occasional) posts.

Glad they're still around.

kridsdale3 · 3 months ago
And now that Zuck has nuked Facebook AI Research org, they get their acronymic exclusivity back.
IIAOPSW · 3 months ago
Its impressive how well Bezos has convinced everyone to stop trusting WaPo rather than WaPo convincing everyone to trust Bezos. A paper owned by a wealthy financial interest was hardly unique or novel at the time he took them over, and no one would have been more concerned about it than they already were, and all he had to do was not be overt in his influence and bias of it, but he couldn't refrain.
mmooss · 3 months ago
I think many people (and the parent comment) are getting played because they don't realize the game and its stakes:

'Trust' is an issue under the old rules, in a context where an essentially democratic, free society was desired by all and where therefore public trust and a well-informed public mattered.

The new rules are about power alone, which is essentially anti-democratic. Bezos has power and he demonstrates it - demonstration is essential under the new rules - by mocking and thumbing his nose at trust and at informing the public. He uses his power to bend public opinion his way; lots of people still read the Post, and in a post-truth world, truth doesn't matter to many of them. He doesn't care about trust, and he actively and intentionally demonstrates it.

It's the context of post-truth philosophy: Words are about power, they are weapons; they are not about truth, expression, or information.

The worship (rather than distrust) of power, post-truth, it all leads to the non-democratic outcome.

jquery · 3 months ago
IMO, the rules haven't changed at all, shit has always been bad. Ask any Black American. The silver lining to all this open corruption is that even the most milquetoast centrists of 2020 are turning into people calling for actual consequences for the corruption going on in our government.

As unpopular as Bush was in 2008, not very many people seriously thought he would be or even should be arrested. I think the patience of good people is getting severely tested in 2025 though, I think by 2028, or sooner, people will be demanding scalps.

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JeremyNT · 3 months ago
> Its impressive how well Bezos has convinced everyone to stop trusting WaPo rather than WaPo convincing everyone to trust Bezos. A paper owned by a wealthy financial interest was hardly unique or novel at the time he took them over, and no one would have been more concerned about it than they already were, and all he had to do was not be overt in his influence and bias of it, but he couldn't refrain.

My hypothesis is that his current heavy handed editorial intervention is designed to convince only a single person: the President of the United States.

It's presumably worth burning the paper's reputation in order to curry favor with a mercurial and vengeful autocrat who controls the power of the federal government's purse.

In 3 (or 7?) years, perhaps he will reevaluate.

rtpg · 3 months ago
I do enjoy the theory that everyone was cynically posturing for 4 years during Biden and are now _also_ cynically posturing for Trump, because it aligns with a belief that a lot of powerful people seem to have extremely malleable beliefs.

It is a bit more interesting than "everyone took their mask off the day after the election". Plenty of hard-line right wing people in the world, of course, but at one point if you're that deep in the right all the posturing pre-2024 would be really hard to do. But if it's all cynical then any amount of posturing makes sense!

adventured · 3 months ago
Bezos is calculating his years remaining with regards to Blue Origin and that a given President can cause severe disruption to the pathway Bezos has in mind for his organization. I'm sure his ideal would be to finely balance WaPo's reputation and his need to placate the current President, and I'm also certain with Trump it's not doable (so he'll sacrifice some of WaPo's reputation to keep progress going on Blue Origin during the Trump years).

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pydry · 3 months ago
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/10/28/jeff-bezo...

He even wrote an editorial saying "the news media isnt trusted, we have to do better".

Then he decided he didnt want to do better.

blitzar · 3 months ago
> Then he decided he didnt want to do better.

I am fairly certain he decided to and is executing "do better" - nevertheless the 1 or 2 people with net worths of 100's of billions have different opinions on what "better" looks like than the other 8 billion of us.

dangus · 3 months ago
I’m not convinced the layperson is aware.

I would bet that something like 80 or 90% of Washington Post subscribers don’t know who owns the paper, and I would save you the same thing about the Wall Street Journal.

jquery · 3 months ago
I didn't know who owned WaPo until Bezos started putting his thumb on the scale.
softwaredoug · 3 months ago
These billionaires don't have a solid feedback loop back to reality
atmosx · 3 months ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBZTHxZvOwg - this show was soooo good...
findthewords · 3 months ago
Think about the world's poorest man, and how disconnected he is from the rest of humanity. Now think of the world's richest man. They are equally disconnected.
coliveira · 3 months ago
The ideal solution is to stop reading newspapers/sites owned by Bezos. I give the WP zero credibility for anything that is not factual. Even then they will distort the facts with opinions that are aligned to Bezos.
throwworhtthrow · 3 months ago
The same week that WaPo announced their new editorial policy, I added a uBlock Origin rule to delete the opinion sidebar. It's basically ads run by Jeff Bezos now. There's no reason to expose oneself to it.

Their news reporting is, for now, still decent (and retains its familiar slant).

rtpg · 3 months ago
The editorial section is really embarrassing. It wasn't really great before but now so many "Editorial Board" pieces are some of the most fact-free power-praising pieces. I rolled my eyes at the "democracy dies in darkness" stuff but that was at least something.

It's fun to jump into the comments, they added voting to the comments and Wapo editorials are really not coming off well.

nitwit005 · 3 months ago
The news part of Fox News was essentially fine for a long time. When Trump got angry about their election coverage of Arizona (they correctly called it for Biden), the response was to reorganize the department, and that ceased being true.

Trump was annoyed enough that he started threatening to start a Trump TV network and poach their stars.

ilamont · 3 months ago
WSJ is not owned by Jeff Bezos, but by another billionaire Rupert Murdoch.

By all means skip the Wall Street Journal's sneering editorials, but don't ignore the reporting. For example, the Theranos scandal was blown open by the WSJ's John Carreyrou. They've done good reporting on Tesla, Epstein, Amazon, and others.

mmooss · 3 months ago
How do you see the WSJ as not biased, when it's owned by Murdoch, who openly interferes in and biases Fox News, as has been demonstrated numerous times including in massive losses in court.

Do you think Murdoch wouldn't do that at the WSJ?

With that signal and the editorial page, I think it's wishful thinking to think the rest isn't biased - people just don't want to lose that institution. Much can be done without the reader knowing - omissions, slant, etc. In the end, you must trust them to a degree.

whimsicalism · 3 months ago
wsj newsroom is probably the best national reporting entity, but sure

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embedding-shape · 3 months ago
> When it comes to the appearance of conflict, I am not an ideal owner of The Post. Every day, somewhere, some Amazon executive or Blue Origin executive or someone from the other philanthropies and companies I own or invest in is meeting with government officials. I once wrote that The Post is a “complexifier” for me. It is, but it turns out I’m also a complexifier for The Post. - https://archive.is/flIDl

It kind of shocks me how someone seemingly can understand those things, but then continue to try to helm the ship. You know you're having a negative impact, why stay at that point, unless you have some ulterior motive?

I don't feel like Washington Post becoming a shadow of itself is any surprise, when even the owner is aware of the effect they have on the publication, yet do absolutely nothing to try to change it.

Disclaimer: former subscriber, part of the exodus that left when the publication became explicitly "pro-capitalism" under the guise of "personal liberties" or something like that.

afavour · 3 months ago
Yeah, this was always the tell. If he truly cared about journalism and wanted to use his money to support it he could very easily place WaPo in some sort of trust he has no power over. And yet, despite publicly admitting the conflict of interest, he hasn’t. Only one reason why you do that and it's because you intend to make the most of your control.
GCA10 · 3 months ago
It's worth reading former WashPost editor Marty Baron's memoirs for a little more insight about Bezos's priorities. Back when Bezos was married to MacKenzie Scott, she was a surprisingly strong voice about how to do things. (The slogan "Democracy Dies in Darkness" got approved after her blessing.) Lately, my sense is that his new wife, Lauren Sanchez, has more of an interest in the Post than Bezos does.

So he's basically the absentee owner of a property that's more interesting to the women in his life than to him. Current management at the paper is probably eager to make sure that the paper doesn't embarrass (or "complexify") his bigger business priorities. Their desire to mollify may be excessive. I've seen such things happen inside large organizations.

terminalshort · 3 months ago
That doesn't solve the problem (because it can't be solved). Someone is in control, and the paper will be biased in their interest.
nickff · 3 months ago
It seems like the problem with WaPo is that it’s constantly losing money, and has been since well before Bezos bought it. This makes it difficult to be hands-off for (at least) two reasons: he can’t just put it in a conventional trust, because he has to constantly give the organization money (which is abnormal for such a trust), and (secondly) in order to be sustainable, WaPo needs to be significantly changed so that it stops hemorrhaging money.
uvaursi · 3 months ago
What’s the relation between Journalism, Facts and Truth? I’d like a three-way Venn diagram to understand if there are any overlaps.
jacquesm · 3 months ago
That's because even if he realizes the conflict of interest having a massive media outlet at your disposal is just too powerful a temptation to ignore for these fat cats.
morkalork · 3 months ago
I think they took the wrong lesson from that Mark Twain quote

>Never pick a fight with people who buy ink by the barrel

heroprotagonist · 3 months ago
There was an ulterior motive and the impact was deliberate.

Further down the article:

> O'Neal was brought in by Bezos this summer after the corporate titan tore up his paper's opinion section.

> Bezos said he wanted a tight focus on two priorities: personal liberties and free markets. The top opinion page editor resigned. A raft of prominent columnists and contributors resigned or departed as well. Some were let go.

terminalshort · 3 months ago
It's not ulterior if he said it
flatline · 3 months ago
The Post is a plaything to him that has a disproportionate impact on the rest of the world. We’ve created systems that allow a few individuals to control resources beyond the wildest dreams of the monarchs of days past. Whether it is about power, control, self-aggrandizement, or simply a special interest to him, there is no accountability at the end of the day, and we are all excellent at justifying and rationalizing our decisions to ourselves. I don’t think there has to be an ulterior motive per se, it’s simply human nature.
bigbadfeline · 3 months ago
> We’ve created systems that allow a few individuals to control resources beyond the wildest dreams of the monarchs of days past.

That didn't happen without vigorous help from the "servants of the people".

> I don’t think there has to be an ulterior motive per se, it’s simply human nature.

It's both, of course. Ulterior motives and human nature aren't mutually exclusive, in fact they overlap quite a lot given the chance.

ratelimitsteve · 3 months ago
the temptation is to take him at his word for what he wants and then ask why he doesn't do the obvious thing to get it. try something different: assume he wants what he gets and then ask yourself why he might want that. it's shocking how often that tends to make things very clear.
AndrewKemendo · 3 months ago
This is called “managing the narrative”

It’s a classic hallmark technique of advanced psychopaths wherein you agree with reality but don’t change it because as long as you acknowledge it, most people assume you’ll “do your best.”

So all you have to do is acknowledge it, and as long as there’s nobody who can force you to do anything then there’s no obvious way to address it without escalation - that escalation being the reason then for claiming you’re attacked and then you have carte blanche to “simply defend yourself”

Do that long enough and people get tired and move on and you just cemented your place further

HPsquared · 3 months ago
Don't ask what you can do for your property; ask what your property can do for you.
JohnMakin · 3 months ago
It’s part of the centi billionaire class power grab playbook. each one of them for the most part has some major media interests. if you can control and dictate the narrative, for a while no one can protest you, and maybe they won’t notice for a while that their futures are being robbed to enrich a handful of extremely vain white men. by the time they do, it’s likely too late.
makr17 · 3 months ago
I feel like Bezos has well more than $10M, $1B/100 (centi). Perhaps you were looking for "hecto" (SI prefix for 100)?
pessimizer · 3 months ago
> Washington Post becoming a shadow of itself

The Post was always terrible, always extremely conservative, and always blatantly mixed editorial in with its news reporting (unlike most other outlets in the past.) A bunch of anti-Trump people decided it was movement liberal because it didn't like Trump (like every other Republican and Republican outlet until people started voting them out over it.)

WaPo was the most right-wing non-tabloid major paper in the country other than the WSJ before Bezos, the only thing that changed afterwards was that the headlines became more linkbait (5 minutes earlier than every other paper) and their coverage of Bezos properties became lighter.

The idea that the WaPo was ever anything but rabidly capitalist is nonsense.

metabagel · 3 months ago
I would say that the Washington Post was pretty centrist before Bezos decided to target MAGA readers.

They were planning to endorse Kamala Harris before Bezos quashed it.

senderista · 3 months ago
> always extremely conservative

You have a pretty idiosyncratic definition of "conservative"

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HEmanZ · 3 months ago
Only tangentially related, but I’ve been thinking a lot lately about what media format for consumption would inherently produce the least biased, most informed public.

After reading “Amusing Ourselves to Death” last week I’m convinced that in a democracy, political media consumption format is destiny (or at least shapes the equilibrium) and has more to do with the information bias in the system (when that system consists of profit maximizing news sources).

Current major models seem fundamentally less biased (on average) as a form of media than either television or social media. And they have a built-in incentive not to be too biased in the long run (maybe, this is just a vague thought): being too biased makes you have more incorrect predictions.

Could the right kind AI consumable media reverse the trend of ever more biased media?

11101010001100 · 3 months ago
This is the sort of stuff that happens when someone who had one good idea long ago has run out of good ideas.
mhb · 3 months ago
I’ve Been at NPR for 25 Years. Here’s How We Lost America’s Trust.

https://www.thefp.com/p/npr-editor-how-npr-lost-americas-tru...

neaden · 3 months ago
What does this have to do with the article?
drak0n1c · 3 months ago
The hollowing out of the readership by ideologically partisan staff is what led to publications becoming overly dependent on the subsidy of wealthy owners, rather than a wider pool of paid subscribers.
morshu9001 · 3 months ago
Article is NPR's
samtp · 3 months ago
So a proud 2 time Trump voted says that NRP lost America's trust because they attacked Trump too many times to a new outlet founded by Bari Weiss? Then after resigning from NPR goes on to work for that same outlet?

Forgive me if I find his opinion and the article useless.

mhb · 3 months ago
You don't seem to have refuted anything he has written.
WalterBright · 3 months ago
Every media company is subject to the bias of the person or entity that owns it.
yubblegum · 3 months ago
Rather incredible that this needs to be pointed out, specially given the history of press ownership in this nation. Rosebud! /g
WalterBright · 3 months ago
Yeah, I'm bemused at all the "I'm shocked, shocked to hear that the owner influences the content!"