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0cf8612b2e1e · 2 months ago
Have diamonds found their way into other industrial cooling solutions? With the research into gem grade diamonds, I have been expecting cheap ugly synthetic diamonds to be used in more products. I have long joked that I want a diamond frying pan.
gpm · 2 months ago
3D printer nozzles, which is sort of the opposite (industrial heating products).

Part of the argument is that better heat conduction means that you can run the nozzle cooler resulting in less heat conduction to the cold side (above where you want the filament to melt) so I guess its "cooling" in a sense too.

Atomic_Torrfisk · 2 months ago
> ugly synthetic diamonds

Not any more, their quality has increased recently. Not that I care, wife and I did without them during our engagement.

jrk · 2 months ago
I think the point was not that gem-grade synthetic diamonds are ugly, but that, as industry masters gem-grade production, presumably below-gem-grade production (“ugly synthetic diamonds”) would become cheap enough to deploy in more engineering settings where diamond’s other unique properties were the key concern.
Yossarrian22 · 2 months ago
I’m surprised nobody has done a phone screen yet
Tuna-Fish · 2 months ago
Large single crystal diamond, what is required for a nice transparent screen, is still quite expensive. This article is about polycrystalline diamond, which is not really that transparent, but is nearly as good at thermal conduction as monocrystalline diamond.
rowanG077 · 2 months ago
Even if that were cheap I don't think diamond would excel in this use case. It's of course extremely hard but I'd expect that it would be extremely prone to cracking. In addition the high index of refraction would make the diamond screen very reflective and you would need some fancy coating which of course wouldn't be as strong as diamond.
rbanffy · 2 months ago
> I have long joked that I want a diamond frying pan

As long as you don’t use it on a gas stove, you should be fine.

kees99 · 2 months ago
Why? Diamond has very low thermal expansion, so no risk of stress/embrittlement/cracks from uneven heating.

Or you mean it'll catch fire? Also not a concern. That is supposed to happen at a temperature well above anything useful for cooking.

PunchyHamster · 2 months ago
Just put them on inside only
lateforwork · 2 months ago
> But my research group at Stanford University has managed what seemed impossible.

Wait a minute, others have been doing this already: https://www.df.com/

How is this different?

See also: https://youtu.be/ggQKZDZsDec

mutagenesis · 2 months ago
What you linked is bonding a diamond substrate to the back of your IC. What's in the post is growing diamond lattice/features directly on your wafer. With the new way, you can get diamond closer to your heat sources, increase contact area, etc.

No idea if it actually matters. Is this a single digit percentage increase in thermal conductivity by messing with a finicky, temperamental process? I don't know. What the paper writers are proposing is under the limit of when transistor structures break down, but not by much.

IAmBroom · 2 months ago
They mention getting 10's of degrees Celsius improvement. It's very significant.
lightedman · 2 months ago
Nothing new, Applied Diamond has made this stuff for several years and it is incredible. Imagine putting a 15w LED on a typical 20mm star board made of diamond - you do not need a heat sink. Just minor air flow over the package is enough.

A little unlike IEEE to be nearly half a decade out of the loop.

akshatjiwan · 2 months ago
I think what they have grown diamond on the transistor which then bonds to the substrate through a SIC interlayer.

From what I understand their idea seems to be that since most heating occurs at channels they act like hotspots and therefore it would be much better to drain away heat from them directly.

This is different from creating transistors on a diamond substrate.

Tuna-Fish · 2 months ago
The invention is a fast, low-temperature deposition process, which can then be used directly on a semiconductor device.
lateforwork · 2 months ago
Diamond Foundry achieves the same end goal even if the deposition methods and technical processes may differ: https://df.com
yorwba · 2 months ago
The new thing here is growing a thin layer of diamond directly on top of a chip.
trhway · 2 months ago
naturally, graphite has similarly high thermal conductivity along the layer direction (which is basically graphene), and one would think that there should be some way to put such a thin layer of graphite/graphene on top (or inside) the chip to achieve similar results.
Klaster_1 · 2 months ago
snalty · 2 months ago
This reminded me of this: https://www.innovationcooling.com/products/ic-diamond/?srslt... which seemed to be all the rage in PC building 10 years ago

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