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okayishdefaults · 4 months ago
I'm unsure if "no descenders" provides increased clarity. For example, lowercase q is easy to recognize because your eyes are already drawn to it being one of few characters that descend. In the case of this font, you have a small uppercase Q as the lowercase q. This feels like it accomplishes the opposite of this stated benefit.
dlisboa · 4 months ago
> I'm unsure if "no descenders" provides increased clarity.

Of course not: if it did we would be doing it that way everywhere. Typeface design has thousands of years of history, there's only a few major variations in latin types and we've tried them all. Descenders exist for a reason.

This type is pretty cool for what it is meant for, the retro aesthetics. Old school digital displays (like alarm clocks) don't have descenders so it fits pretty well.

fkyoureadthedoc · 4 months ago
> Descenders exist for a reason.

Yeah but I wouldn't just assume it's because they are the optimal solution. Look at architectural handwriting, very clear, no descenders.

foofoo12 · 4 months ago
Nowhere does it promise to increase clarity. In one place it says "modern clarity", which is in my opinion and many cases worse than non-modern clarity.
j4coh · 4 months ago
Modern claritu
drob518 · 4 months ago
Yep, I agree. Your eyes need these clues to help you read at speed. When every character looks similar, you have to slow down to look at individual characters, rather than just glancing at a whole word.
__mharrison__ · 4 months ago
Was wondering this to. Then I saw the final item in the list of uses: ASCII art...
Minor49er · 4 months ago
At a glance, the phrase about it on the site looks like it's saying "Retro aesthetic meets modern claritu"
treetalker · 4 months ago
The qu i ck brown f ox jumps over the lazy do 9
ricardobeat · 4 months ago
Letter spacing is not great for that 'i' indeed. Monospace fonts use a very wide serif at the bottom, or an extended arm to make the i appear equally-spaced, which this typeface seems to have ignored.
wildlogic · 4 months ago
Thanks for the feedback. I'll give this a try.

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wildlogic · 4 months ago
Hey, this is my first font design, constructive criticism welcome! Thanks.
tobr · 4 months ago
You’ve picked a difficult way to make your first typeface. A monoline design with a strict vector grid doesn’t leave a lot of room for the kind of optical adjustments needed for balanced and readable letter shapes. But I think even if you want to be strict about those restrictions there is a lot of room for improvement in consistency and composition of each shape.

I started to write actionable suggestions about individual letters but realized it’s probably better to drop this link, which starts at how to draw an ”A” and continues with every letter of the alphabet. https://ohnotype.co/blog/ohno-type-school-a

whiterook6 · 4 months ago
It's very nice, but why? The lack of descenders makes it slightly harder to read. More of the letters look the same.
kiba · 4 months ago
It's perfect for my use case, which is making individual square letters to print. PITA to ensure that the square are uniform when the letters are not uniform in size.
rvschuilenburg · 4 months ago
Aesthetically, great. But i can't help but find it harder to read this font. Probably cool for things such as a poster or album art, but not something i'd enjoy using in my code editor.
egorfine · 4 months ago
Lowercase f, l and t are crimes against humanity.
sph · 4 months ago
Please add a github release with the assets (ttf, otf, etc.). I'm developing an open-source font repository+downloader and it will make it easier to write an install script for it.
p0w3n3d · 4 months ago
Great job! I've tried many times to design a font and failed.

That said, here's some: I'd love to see multiple weights. Not just bold, the new fonts can have multiple weights. Italic could help also but with the letters staying in the box. Also, the letters are too much to the left to my liking. Large amount of space between letters makes it even more visible.

networked · 4 months ago
Cool concept. I like the lowercase q a lot. The misaligned dot (tittle) on the lowercase i and j bugs me. It feels off to have it at different heights. I'd try making the i taller to match the j.
camtarn · 4 months ago
No descenders - fine. But I find the lowercase L, and to a lesser extent the lowercase F, very unpleasant looking. Something to do with the overly intrusive and segmented curve.
billev2k · 4 months ago
I'd prefer a greater difference between ( ) and { }, and between : and ;

But that's for using it as my daily driver, which doesn't seem to be the actual motivation.

tomashubelbauer · 4 months ago
I really like the look of the font, great job!
ginko · 4 months ago
The vertical lines look a bit thin on my ~110PPI screen. Especially the down line in lowercase 'p'.
JSR_FDED · 4 months ago
Love how legible this is. Exactly how my brain (trained on 8-bit micros) expects a font to look!
nullchan · 4 months ago
Did you ask Claude to make your design futuristic? I sometimes get the same layout haha.
Terretta · 4 months ago
I find it legible except for y becoming u
jen729w · 4 months ago
Amazing effort for a first font. I probably won't use it, but who cares! It's cool.

Do more fonts. Do more things. I thank you.

specialist · 4 months ago
I hate myself for loving Retrocide so much. Well done.
kurtis_reed · 4 months ago
What's the benefit of no descenders?
zokier · 4 months ago
In theory it allows to pack text tighter with minimal line spacing.
willvarfar · 4 months ago
its popular in basic games where fonts are made from bitmap glyphs and pixels are at a premium.
foofoo12 · 4 months ago
Aesthetics, if that's your thing.
card_zero · 4 months ago
The squished descenders are surprisingly not horrible. (They are horrible in some actual 80s fonts from 8-bit devices.) But I don't like the giant intrusive 'l' that looks like a ladle, it's got too much character.
fifticon · 4 months ago
zx spectrum is very offended by your remarks, and would like to have a word with you :-) I can see that g with my eyes closed.
card_zero · 4 months ago
Ha, that's the one, I knew there was one particularly egregious g.
wisty · 4 months ago
Looks cool, I feel like lowercase g and maybe p could be a bit taller, g looks a bit out of place with its height.
eichin · 4 months ago
Flashbacks to the Okidata Microline 80 dot matrix printer I used in high school (early 1980s) - it had a 7-wire print head, so no descenders and lower case "g" was particularly bad (basically to get the detail in 7 lines it had a squashed shape and it was moved up in the box, looking more like a weird "9".) My teachers were... tolerant but mildly annoyed, mostly because they knew just how bad my handwriting was :-)
icedchai · 4 months ago
I like the retro look-and-feel, I just don't find it especially readable.
tdeck · 4 months ago
It reminds me of the rather strange story of the Mormon "Deseret Alphabet" which was designed to not have descenders, in order to reduce uneven wear on the pieces of type.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deseret_alphabet