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Fade_Dance · 9 days ago
It's not "genuine" when they say that every question is a "great question" and every thought is a "deep and profound observation."

As someone who actually likes to explore ideas and steal man myself on these chats, it's especially obnoxious because those types of comments do no favors in guiding you down good paths with subjects that you may be working on and learning.

Of course the average user likes getting their ego stroked. Looks like OpenAI will embrace the dopamine pumping style that pervades the digital realm.

SOLAR_FIELDS · 9 days ago
I've had fun telling all these LLM's to act like Linus Torvalds and tear me down when I talk to them. Surprisingly effective
Fade_Dance · 9 days ago
YOUR RESPONSE WAS LATE AND YOU MADE THE WORLD WORSE.
marak830 · 9 days ago
Thanks, I was going to tell clause to keep it minimal response, but perhaps tearing apart my ideas may be better xD
leosanchez · 9 days ago
Did it ever tell that you should be retroactively aborted ?
ComputerGuru · 9 days ago
I mean, it’s not genuine regardless of how often or little it’s said because it is, literally and by definition, artificial praise. Which is harmful in any quantity.
minimaxir · 9 days ago
OpenAI really does not want people using GPT-4o. The money presumably saved from GPT-5's routing must be very compelling.
kingstnap · 9 days ago
I don't think its entirely about the money. A lot of people just don't understand that you can change models.

My uncle for example was using it frequently some excel vbscripts and had no idea was o4 mini was or o3.

webdevver · 9 days ago
there appears to be two emerging major use cases/markets for LLMs:

- synthetic friend

- a tool that happens to be much faster than google/ctrl-f/man-pages/poking around github

perhaps offer GPT-5-worker and GPT-5-friend?

dangus · 9 days ago
I don’t really think this is the gist of it.

What happened with GPT-5 is that the product changed abruptly and significantly.

I don’t think most people are looking to use ChatGPT as a virtual friend, but overnight the product changed from having a very friendly (yes perhaps almost too friendly) personality to being terse.

If the product was always like that or it slowly evolved into that it wouldn’t be a big deal.

altbdoor · 9 days ago
> What happened with GPT-5 is that the product changed abruptly and significantly.

And also the blazing fast deprecation of all other models in ChatGPT when 5 was announced.

nojs · 9 days ago
Right, it seems like these two use cases are rapidly diverging.
pragmatic · 9 days ago
- a tool that happens to be much slower than google/ctrl-f/man-pages/poking around github
everybodyknows · 9 days ago
> You'll notice small, genuine touches like “Good question” or “Great start,” not flattery.

They've redefined "flattery". And "genuine".

sdotdev · 9 days ago
Make it stop saying "Nice - " at the start of every prompt that's annoying.
theodric · 9 days ago
YMMV. I asked it for a list of something and it responded "I'm not in the habit of doing your homework, but here's a compact list[...]"
minimaxir · 9 days ago
Does passive-aggression count as sycophancy?
whinvik · 9 days ago
I really don't think this is a good idea. All the negative comments seem to have been from people who almost treated 4o as a friend rather than a tool. I don't think encouraging that direction is good in any way.
AceyMan · 9 days ago
I took three 45m sessions of user training from OpenAI prior to the GPT-5 switcheroo. I know when to switch models. I know know to invoke Deep Research mode. I want my GPT-4 stuff back.
myaccountonhn · 9 days ago
Looking at the reactions to 4o being removed on reddit was... Sobering. The reason they toned it down was because they claimed the sycophantic behavior and the attachment some were growing weren't healthy. It was pathetic to see them not stand their ground when you at the same time see people develop these super unhealthy relationship to text generators.
dangus · 9 days ago
I don’t think it has anything to do with unhealthy attachment.

It has to do with an abrupt product change that was too different from the previous thing that everyone liked.

BrawnyBadger53 · 9 days ago
The alternative was likely that these people would move to platforms that actively prey on this instead. Imo it's good that they get people onto the newer model and help them bridge the way to healthier conversations. Though realistically, these people should just be using the personality tools and the default should be robotic so new people don't join the problem.
KoolKat23 · 9 days ago
It pays the bills.