As far as privacy goes, I always say that the best way to ensure privacy, is to not take the information in the first place.
I manage an app that Serves an extremely privacy-focused demographic. I won't use push notifications or PassKeys, because each requires that the server store information that can be linked to a user. We do require a valid email account, and that's it. The email account can be a throwaway, but it needs to be able to receive email. Other than that, the user can choose to do things like mention their location (even then, we "fuzz it," at the server level), and maybe a couple of strings that can be anything they want.
Even with that, I still find that I need to constantly assuage doubts.
I know that not taking information is heresy, hereabouts, but, if I don't have it, it can't be leaked, and I can't be compelled to divulge it.
Or at least it should be, if companies were putting users first (a naive thought, I know).
I have a small mobile app for recording expenses (receipts). The usual strategy would be for users to create accounts and store and sync data with my service. Potentially useful data (behavior, spending), which I don't want to touch with 10ft pole.
Instead, I keep all the data local (user's device). No registration at all. Nothing to store on the server.
Slightly more inconvenient for the users (to move to a new device, you need to export and import the local db), but cheaper and zero-stress for me.
I work at a Fortune 10 and we routinely avoid collecting PII when there’s no reason to do so. Not out of any noble championship of privacy, just because 1) legal wants less liability, and 2) subpoenas are a PITA for everyone.
What I really would love is a universal sync service that most apps would be built upon. There are apps I have used that basically say “we don’t provide storage service, but you can use your Dropbox, Google Drive, rsync service, etc.” This is really cool because while I love having my files locally I also then am entirely in charge of syncing and backing up stuff.
I built a micro-journaling app back in the day and subscribed to this philosophy as much as i could have. On Android, i even didnt let the app have the permission to access the internet. Everything was stored on device, encrypted. However i was still scared that individual phones would be hacked (or the app itself) and the info would get out anyways.
Used Obsidian (paid for commercial and sync) for years, loved it, and evangelised. Ango and team seem to have genuine integrity.
Am moving to Emacs, org, plus self-built elements, however. With much pain.
You see, what is /not/ self-guaranteeing about a full Obsidian life-organising workflow is the necessary reliance on plugins and their quirky configs. I felt as locked in to the ecosystem as I ever did with services that ‘merely’ used a proprietary storage format.
I know others in the same boat. Obsidian’s long-term legacy may well be primarily as a market-maker for Emacs.
Sure, but the primary difference between what you're talking about is ecosystem lock-in vs file lockin.
both can be postured as a labor-saving measure, exposing user data to users is an additional burden on developers. Designing an extension system that is easy for other products to use is an additional burden on developers (& developer relations! And marketing! Other products won't just adopt your extension system willy-nilly)
But switching from obsidian to something else is so much easier on a file-level than say, google docs or whatever other super-proprietary system that's being used.
I'm very wary about adjusting my workflows to depend on flimsy or proprietary ecosystems. I don't really use vim with any plugins. I don't really use obsidian with any plugins, although I'm slowly trying to ease up to using a couple that would be big QOL improvements.
Striving for standard interfaces/workflows is a good thing, but I don't think emacs is that. vim isn't that. They've just cemented themselves as the de-facto.
I'm using vim bindings in obsidian, for what it's worth. I'm not re-learning a whole other set of keyboard shortcuts (although obsidian's is quite lacking)
On the one hand, the stainless steel example can be generalized to materials. Gold, for instance.
On the other hand there is plenty of fraud in materials. There are different grades of stainless steel and different methods of production that yield differing qualities.
Maybe “immutable, buyer-verifiable” would be stronger? Once you buy and own and verify the gold you bought, it can’t be retroactively degraded by the seller. But at the time of purchase, it’s not at all a sure thing.
Well, "File over app" also needs to be verified. Think of it more as it being permanent. If your data is never sent to a server, a change in TOS can't hurt your privacy. They could still lie and send your data away! But I still feel like this is a good mental model, and I feel like the name fits with this idea of "You can't remove your promise about [privacy, data-ownership, etc]".
304 stainless is pretty stainless with fresh water. Not so much with saltwater. 316 is stainless in saltwater at normal temps, but not high temps. 400 series is both more stainless and less stainless than 300 series depending on conditions. And then there are the exotic ones.
And if all we're verifying is stainless after immersion in water, aluminum counts.
"Self-guaranteeing promise" is just a confusing way of saying "immutable properties after measurement".
I understand keeping applications open to change is for extensibility reasons.
In the privacy case enterprises need to ask for customers consent before changing policies. This includes changing prices too. But usually they take them for granted.
No, not really. You're just assuming they're going to continue displaying your posts on bsky.app. Everyone is reading your posts through bsky.app and it doesn't matter if your post is technically available through a side channel if it's not available through the main channel.
If the promise is: when using the AT Protocol you have control over your own data, then this is self-guaranteeing, since it is a part of the spec that you can self host a PDS.
The promise that Bluesky will always be compliant with the spec, or that the spec won’t ever change to disallow this isn’t self-guaranteeing, but you could say something similar about any of these self guaranteeing promises. For example the promise that Obsidian will always use markdown isn’t self-guaranteeing.
...and for decades in IT, I was pretty firm on the topic of "just because we CAN collect that data doesn't mean we should." I imagine the DOGE bros who took over my old agency are still living with that.
"We want to know who asked stupid questions in support so we can fire them!"
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I manage an app that Serves an extremely privacy-focused demographic. I won't use push notifications or PassKeys, because each requires that the server store information that can be linked to a user. We do require a valid email account, and that's it. The email account can be a throwaway, but it needs to be able to receive email. Other than that, the user can choose to do things like mention their location (even then, we "fuzz it," at the server level), and maybe a couple of strings that can be anything they want.
Even with that, I still find that I need to constantly assuage doubts.
I know that not taking information is heresy, hereabouts, but, if I don't have it, it can't be leaked, and I can't be compelled to divulge it.
Or at least it should be, if companies were putting users first (a naive thought, I know).
I have a small mobile app for recording expenses (receipts). The usual strategy would be for users to create accounts and store and sync data with my service. Potentially useful data (behavior, spending), which I don't want to touch with 10ft pole.
Instead, I keep all the data local (user's device). No registration at all. Nothing to store on the server.
Slightly more inconvenient for the users (to move to a new device, you need to export and import the local db), but cheaper and zero-stress for me.
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Am moving to Emacs, org, plus self-built elements, however. With much pain.
You see, what is /not/ self-guaranteeing about a full Obsidian life-organising workflow is the necessary reliance on plugins and their quirky configs. I felt as locked in to the ecosystem as I ever did with services that ‘merely’ used a proprietary storage format.
I know others in the same boat. Obsidian’s long-term legacy may well be primarily as a market-maker for Emacs.
both can be postured as a labor-saving measure, exposing user data to users is an additional burden on developers. Designing an extension system that is easy for other products to use is an additional burden on developers (& developer relations! And marketing! Other products won't just adopt your extension system willy-nilly)
But switching from obsidian to something else is so much easier on a file-level than say, google docs or whatever other super-proprietary system that's being used.
I'm very wary about adjusting my workflows to depend on flimsy or proprietary ecosystems. I don't really use vim with any plugins. I don't really use obsidian with any plugins, although I'm slowly trying to ease up to using a couple that would be big QOL improvements.
Striving for standard interfaces/workflows is a good thing, but I don't think emacs is that. vim isn't that. They've just cemented themselves as the de-facto.
I'm using vim bindings in obsidian, for what it's worth. I'm not re-learning a whole other set of keyboard shortcuts (although obsidian's is quite lacking)
On the one hand, the stainless steel example can be generalized to materials. Gold, for instance.
On the other hand there is plenty of fraud in materials. There are different grades of stainless steel and different methods of production that yield differing qualities.
Maybe “immutable, buyer-verifiable” would be stronger? Once you buy and own and verify the gold you bought, it can’t be retroactively degraded by the seller. But at the time of purchase, it’s not at all a sure thing.
In the example of stainless steel it is "stainlessness" that is the promise, and that only requires water to test.
Not really.
304 stainless is pretty stainless with fresh water. Not so much with saltwater. 316 is stainless in saltwater at normal temps, but not high temps. 400 series is both more stainless and less stainless than 300 series depending on conditions. And then there are the exotic ones.
And if all we're verifying is stainless after immersion in water, aluminum counts.
"Self-guaranteeing promise" is just a confusing way of saying "immutable properties after measurement".
Syncthing is probably the closest bet. It doesn’t require servers, so it can be free. But it isn’t really a full Dropbox replacement.
In the privacy case enterprises need to ask for customers consent before changing policies. This includes changing prices too. But usually they take them for granted.
The promise that Bluesky will always be compliant with the spec, or that the spec won’t ever change to disallow this isn’t self-guaranteeing, but you could say something similar about any of these self guaranteeing promises. For example the promise that Obsidian will always use markdown isn’t self-guaranteeing.
Yeah, but whoever buys you or executes your bankruptcy probably will. Much better for you to never have it in the first place.
"You will change your mind, but I won't change mine."
Why I give crap data to everyone unless there is absolutely no other way.
Facebook thinks I live in a ghost town in Utah, and I'm 121 years old.
Also why most of my accounts that want a street address contain an address-line-2 like "JOEBLOW.COM SOLD OUR DATA," so they can't hide.
Piss in the well, y'all.
"We want to know who asked stupid questions in support so we can fire them!"
I saw you coming 30 years in advance, asshole.