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littlexsparkee · 17 days ago
Due to direct benefit to herders, this is easier to reinforce than methane reductions with supplement e.g. seaweed as has been posted here before, since those benefits are not captured (without a carbon market or climate-friendly consumer branding to command a premium). Even if beef was methane-free, it would still have a larger impact than chicken (without regenerative agriculture, silviculture etc) but projections show that consumption is going to grow steadily as the global middle class grows so adopting these efficiencies will be important.
zahlman · 17 days ago
If this has been known for years and nobody's trying to implement it, surely there's a catch?
Loughla · 17 days ago
100% accurate. Livestock feed is (like most agriculture) hyper optimized.

If they could increase production by 60% with any additive at all, it would immediately see widespread use.

People still have this weird view of farming that it's like Johnny Goodguy and his family taking care of a small herd. While that exists still, Johnny is also tracking every input and outcome and optimizing daily.

The data collection and use in Ag would astound people.

anon84873628 · 17 days ago
This article is not about a livestock feed, it's about creating a pasture polyculture that reduces the need for nitrogen fertilizer application.

The 60% claim is "in comparison with pastures without the use of nitrogen fertilization." And of course only applies to the region and cattle breed they studied, not to mention only cattle raised on pasture in the first place.

It's not claiming to be a magic growth tonic for all cattle. Though I agree the title is a bit exaggerated and invites misinterpretation.

zdragnar · 17 days ago
Even tractors with RTK satellite guidance have 1 inch precision. Commercial fields with modern tractors are guided to the point that the tractors drive perfectly between crops without damaging them automatically. Spraying applications and other jobs are likewise informed, driven and executed automatically in tandem between computers and overhead imagery.
bigmattystyles · 17 days ago
Whatever you think of him and of course he has a large bank account and a TV show, clarkson’s farm on prime was good at highlighting the slim margins, tight schedules and how at the mercy of the weather you are.
littlexsparkee · 17 days ago
The few, large-scale productions that comprise half of output avail themselves of this; the vast majority that comprise the remainder do not. I'd imagine it's similar in Brazil.
Sightline · 17 days ago
>If they could increase production by 60% with any additive at all, it would immediately see widespread use.

1. No, that's not true at all

2. It's astounding how everywhere I go online there is someone spouting off nonsense which is then repeated and perpetuated.

3. Go listen to Gabe Brown, he saves thousands and thousands by not not paying for synthetic fertilizers.

"Above every surface acre on earth there's approximately 32,000 tons of atmospheric nitrogen, why would any farmer want to write a check for nitrogen?, I just can't figure that one out" -- Gabe Brown

https://youtu.be/uUmIdq0D6-A?t=1h13m58s

0cf8612b2e1e · 17 days ago
Agreed. Farming is incredibly data driven/cost conscious. For the entire industry to not make this an overnight priority says something about the analysis is missing.
littlexsparkee · 17 days ago
Adoption is growing in Brazil but it takes a while for a practice to become mainstream.
danielheath · 17 days ago
“Worked once in a specific tropical pasture”. AFAIK, most beef production is not in the tropics.
Izikiel43 · 17 days ago
South of Brazil is in the tropic of capricorn and it's a beef producing region
tengbretson · 17 days ago
> According to him, if the leguminous plants whose reproduction is stolon-based are adequately managed in the pasture, they will persist there. "In desmodium's case, the solution is to have the cattle graze it when the plant height reaches 30 cm and remove the animals when the average height is 15 cm", he recommends.

The risks associated with over-grazing something like this makes me think it would be ill-suited for anything but management intensive rotational grazing type operations. And even then it seems a bit risky.

weaksauce · 17 days ago
the other people are right that there is crazy data collection and optimization from them... however blind spots can exist and outliers could be possible in that kind of environment.
littlexsparkee · 17 days ago
in the book We Are Eating the Earth it bemoans that money is going to soil carbon schemes that don't do much whereas money to distribute this plant's seeds (what is needed) is scarce
oguz-ismail · 17 days ago
there's no blind spot where even a 5% increase in beef production can hide...
strken · 17 days ago
I'm really curious to see a comparison with all the other common self-regenerating legumes, like clover. Maybe it's better adapted to Brazil?

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kazinator · 17 days ago
> Legume improves bovine digestion and reduces methane emissions.

For people too---but you have to pass it through a cow first and eat it in the form of beef. Otherwise ...

Aromasin · 17 days ago
Gut biome is important for legume consumption. The first few months I went to a plant based diet my digestion was hell. At some point I reached a turning point though, and my gut health became even better than before. My flatulence was so much worse when I was eating meat regularly - often room clearing.
teaearlgraycold · 17 days ago
I changed to being mostly vegetarian a few years ago and the gas only lasted about a month.
kazinator · 17 days ago
> Gut biome is important for legume consumption.

Not to mention being a ruminant with multiple stomach compartments and a long gut.

metalman · 17 days ago
double digit improvements across the board from a perenial pasture mix is realy impressive and likely to spur intrest in finding other combos that give similar results in dairy feed. nitrogen is the key ingredient required for the digestion of all sorts of otherwise waste plant matter by cattle, so if this new pasture cover can be harvested as hay and mixed with other dryed plant matter, it would then be of use in dairy. Hay is still the worlds largest crop.....
ungreased0675 · 17 days ago
Is this plant an invasive species?
varenc · 17 days ago
As said in the article, it's Asian in origin. Probably wouldn't call it invasive since it needs renewal on a regular basis.
wonderwonder · 17 days ago
"There is resistance among farmers not only because the seeds are expensive, but also because the species used so far, especially Stylosanthes, do not persist when associated with Brachiaria grasses", Boddey explains. After some time in the field the leguminous plant wanes or dies, and it is necessary to renew the pasture, which entails further costs and work."

So the farmers did the math and the money doesn't work.

Scientists in this article seem very focused on the climate aspect of it while the farmers themselves are going to be focused on the bottom line. Farmers are not going to entail extra costs if they don't have to much the same as any other business owner.

strken · 17 days ago
That sentence is about other legumes.
littlexsparkee · 17 days ago
In the very next paragraph:

"The Embrapa researcher states that this does not occur with desmodium, and it is possible have the legume in the pasture for over nine years."

imoverclocked · 17 days ago
You might underestimate the ability to market lower-carbon beef though. Where you see a disincentive, others may see the next "organic."
wonderwonder · 17 days ago
I certainly don't speak for everyone but I don't see that catching on at the individual level. People eat the organic because its objectively healthier. I don't think most people that eat beef would care if its low carbon. I eat a good deal of beef, probably 3 steaks a week personally and another 3 in total for my wife and kids. I'm not going to pay x% more for low carbon. With that said I could absolutely see Europe mandating this and forcing everyone to just pay more for beef. So you're right, if they can target this at governments then they could force it to catch on.

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