Just isn’t practical to use Slack for open communities based on it’s pricing structure, but isn’t practical for Discord to exist based on it’s Profit and Loss statement.
Gotta be some way to split the difference and make money with online community chat without paying north of $8 per user.
For Element, I suspect they'd be best off using Element Server Suite (https://element.io/server-suite) which are the official helm charts for Element, Synapse and the various component parts. To scale elastically they'd need the Pro version, but we could provide them with a discounted license of some kind (but not free, given Element isn't profitable yet and we need the $ to actually work on Matrix...)
If anyone reading this wants to talk, hit me up at matthew at element.io (or @matthew:matrix.org on Matrix)
They haven't considered that, because until this week they didn't need to.
Some Linux Foundation projects use Zulip, and the team behind the project seem willing to host for free.
I think consideration may have been limited by the fact that (AFAIK) Slack only provided a week's notice of this change, which has left the Kubernetes volunteers trying to act quickly to avoid losing data which isn't easily archived (private channels and DMs)
I was on the Kubernetes slack and I’ve found it much better than any of the multiple horrors that I’ve expected in Discord. It was even (somewhat) searchable.
But in the end, I never really relied on it for finding information, and am kind of sad that people keep creating chat communities instead of searchable forums.
I also think people overrate chat for actual learning or resolving issues. Even back in the IRC days, asking a question almost never yielded an immediate reply—-quite often you’d have to come back the day after and ask again, or check your DMs on screen overnight.
Forums let you ask and check for replies later, or search for similar questions, or even (shudder) get an e-mail reply, and Discord does exactly none of those things in a way that I find effective or productive.
How is IRCv3 doing these days? I remember it was supposed to address all the pain-points people had that made them want to use Slack, but I haven’t heard of anyone using it in years. Seems support for its feature-set is pretty decent: https://ircv3.net/software/clients
I would hate to see them move to Discord over Matrix. I know Matrix has its issues, but Discord is inviting the same issue a couple years down the road. Besides, Matrix could use the attention of those talented devs using it every day!
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Gotta be some way to split the difference and make money with online community chat without paying north of $8 per user.
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If anyone reading this wants to talk, hit me up at matthew at element.io (or @matthew:matrix.org on Matrix)
But in the end, I never really relied on it for finding information, and am kind of sad that people keep creating chat communities instead of searchable forums.
I also think people overrate chat for actual learning or resolving issues. Even back in the IRC days, asking a question almost never yielded an immediate reply—-quite often you’d have to come back the day after and ask again, or check your DMs on screen overnight.
Forums let you ask and check for replies later, or search for similar questions, or even (shudder) get an e-mail reply, and Discord does exactly none of those things in a way that I find effective or productive.
So, the "best" experience remains with either "The Lounge", or weechat. Neither of which are comparable to Zulip for UX or Slack/Discord for UI.