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Macha · a year ago
A lot of people here will react to the advocacy cuts, and the idea that advocacy make up such a large portion of the workforce.

30 percent seemed like a lot, but I think it's just 30 percent of the foundation's direct staff. I suspect the corporation employs more people than the foundation? So stuff like development is not included in that count.

I do wonder if the cuts are because of anticipation of lower search revenue from Google with tech restricting legislation on the horizon and google's focus pivoting to AI.

gsnedders · a year ago
> I suspect the corporation employs more people than the foundation?

Yes; the corporation is, last I knew, about a thousand, and the foundation about a hundred.

mossTechnician · a year ago
> While Mozilla Foundation declined to quantify the number of people being let go... The Register understands the current headcount is closer to 120, so presumably around 36 people stand to lose their jobs.

Compared to their other investments, how much money are they actually saving by doing this?

appplication · a year ago
I think it’s a fair question, but I don’t think it invalidates the validity of looking at this particular division and evaluating if it brings the company more value than it costs. It’s like when I cancel Netflix. Compared to my other spending it’s not a lot, and to be honest I won’t even notice the savings. But if the value isn’t there, why spend money on it?

Granted I’m not moralizing about the actual value or correctness of this decision, I know nothing about Mozilla’s inner workings or the work of this division in particular.

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necovek · a year ago
A job for advocacy division is to, uhm, advocate for the product and mission.

We all know how that has worked out in the last decade or so (down to <3% market share from 14% in 2014 and 31% in 2009, though I wonder about absolute numbers as number of Internet users has gone up).

It's fine for Mozilla to recognize this as a failed approach (or team), without dropping their mission altogether.

mmooss · a year ago
At Mozilla, they advocate for a free and open Internet, user privacy, and more. That's part of the organizations mission. See the OP for more information.
stackghost · a year ago
The Internet has never been less free and open than it is today. Their advocacy has utterly failed.
intelVISA · a year ago
Hmm, if true that's a weird mission they'd claim to support after what they've done to Firefox
akira2501 · a year ago
Then they take Google's money and fail to influence open standards meaningfully.
necovek · a year ago
Firefox is a tool they use to achieve that mission: success of it should correlate with them achieving free and open internet.

If that is not the case, and they have achieved their mission with Firefox being a non-factor, they should instead stop funding FF development.

hoseja · a year ago
They should advocate for independence from Google and a good browser. These parasite efforts are just so disgusting.
TwoNineFive · a year ago
They can't be preaching one thing and doing the exact opposite.

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arunabha · a year ago
Is there an alternative to Firefox that is not controlled by big tech? One of the saddest outcomes of what seems to be the inevitable demise of Firefox would be that there would be no viable alternative to big tech browsers.
lmm · a year ago
Konqueror was always the only sensible choice, the only browser built from the ground up as open-source, and still the best I've ever used.
jraph · a year ago
Konqueror is unfortunately not an option anymore when it comes to having an alternative to the big web engines, as it relies on Blink or WebKit now.
rpgbr · a year ago
Konqueror isn’t the main KDE browser anymore. It’s Falkon, and both use QtWebEngine, which is based on Chromium. KHTML is dead AFAIK.
g8oz · a year ago
Maybe Ladybird, one day
autoexec · a year ago
Forks of firefox? LibreWolf seems nice but it remains to be seen how long they'd last if firefox stopped being developed by Mozilla
ozornin · a year ago
psd1 · a year ago
It says on the first line that it's powered by webkit.

You're technically correct, it's an independent browser, but I find that moot if it's just a repackaging of a big tech render engine.

insane_dreamer · a year ago
Opera?
pm3003 · a year ago
I wish Opera AB had made the Presto Engine Open Source. Opera 12 was a really impressive browser.
jraph · a year ago
Nope. Opera now relies on Blink, Chrome's engine. It is an alternative browser UI bit relies on Big Tech for the rendering.

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pyrebrowser · a year ago
Pyre Browser is 44% faster than firefox and our running costs are $20 a month. It reduces global energy consumption by 60tWh and allows free speech across all domains. We dont need an advocacy division - we have already freed the internet!
getwiththeprog · a year ago
And you are going to open a casino in 2025! Maybe Mozilla should do that too! (see 'roadmap' at https://pyrebrowser.com/docs)