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ck2 · a year ago
so much new JWST stuff, it's fantastic

first brown dwarfs seen in other galaxies too

https://bsky.app/profile/philplait.bsky.social/post/3l7bssmh...

OgsyedIE · a year ago
I would assume that given the extreme redshift this can be explained by the combination of acoustic oscillation overdensities and gravothermal catastrophe but there is probably some unmentioned reason why it can't.
ajross · a year ago
This sounds like a line stolen from an old Star Trek script, FWIW. For those who need more context, the ideas here are real:

https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/249679/gravother...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baryon_acoustic_oscillations

orbisvicis · a year ago
Wait - If I throw a bowling ball really fast in a vacuum, does its temperature increase?
whatshisface · a year ago
Gravothermal catastrophes make clusters bigger, in order to make stars the potential energy of gas clouds has to go down.
OgsyedIE · a year ago
That's what I'm suggesting - the catastrophe proceeded to the point that all members of the cluster were either ejected (far away enough to be indiscernable relative to the quasar) or absorbed by the quasar core.

Thinking some more about it, there are probably some ways to constrain the amount of time it takes for a past runaway to have occurred that rules this explanation out.

pbhjpbhj · a year ago
They sound like quasars that have consumed everything around them?
ramraj07 · a year ago
Once you look at the math, you realize that no matter how hard they try, black holes can’t suck everything around them.
hparadiz · a year ago
It probably got kicked out of it's host galaxy during a merger.
renegade-otter · a year ago
I was just watching this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1sZpSoMq5g

And, apparently, poor lonely black holes can evaporate over time?

smolder · a year ago
Is that necessarily true in the earliest moments of the universe? Probably there are good reasons for it to be so that I don't understand, but then most of what cosmologists understand about the period that JWST looks back to is from extrapolating backwards, and it seems like the new observations it has enabled keep disagreeing with previous assumptions. Anyway, I really look forward to finding out what improvements to theory can be made to better explain anomalies like these lonely quasars or the apparently overdeveloped young galaxies.
api · a year ago
If they did they’d be invisible, which is why isolated primordial black holes with a variety of masses are a dark matter candidate. A quasar would be one with a giant accretion disk right?
haccount · a year ago
Maybe a theory of hard-to-observe Dark Suction will come to the rescue
saagarjha · a year ago
Quasars are bright because they are surrounded by material that accretes and shines. If they are isolated then they are just quiet black holes.
pbhjpbhj · a year ago
Well, the accretion disk surely runs out at some point, and just before that point, shouldn't it look like a quasar in surprisingly empty space?
Sharlin · a year ago
Quasars don't and can't even consume a significant fraction of their host galaxies' mass, never mind other nearby galaxies.
beastman82 · a year ago
If Halton Arp were still here he'd be smiling
xqcgrek2 · a year ago
This is clickbait / regurgitating a press release from a university outfit

tl;dr there's a lot of dust around the quasar

Astronomy has a big problem with people overhyping their results

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