Great to hear that they started testing it - these 1 million Robotaxi were sitting idle since 2020 !
If you believe any of Musk's bullshit, do yourself a favor and listen to past investor calls from Tesla. And then check how these statements and predictions turn out in reality.
"1000 times better than human driving by the second quarter of 2025". We're yet to see any reliable number from Tesla about those claims. Every single new version of FSD is "mind blowing" and looks like they "solved autonomy", for the past 4 years. And yet, they did unveil a concept Robotaxi in a ... Hollywood studio. Autonomy was solved in Hollywood studios and Theme parks 30 years ago.
The man may exaggerate pace of progress but he has more than proved him self with TESLA, SpaceX, Neuralink. that's 3 bleeding edge companies in 3 different industries.
p.s) For those misinformed about state of Neuralink.
Currently in beta with quadriplegic patients.
Then he can claim those things, but not what he hasn’t done yet. He’s very capable and I’m happy to defend his contribution, but his pronouncements on “full self driving” have been untruthful. It is not full self driving. It was not autopilot. If the new version is, the world should be thrilled. It’s probably not.
I never understood the criticism for late delivery from the tech community. We of all people should know how difficult estimating can be. I can cut Musky some slack on this one.
He doesn't actually do any of the work in developing those technologies. He didn't even found Tesla. He's just the front man with enough money to buy titles like "chief engineer" and "founder".
Tesla might benefit from an in-house prediction platform to pour cold water on some of these forecasts. That said, I was not expecting the chopsticks to catch Starship so soon.
Well, simple there is no need to reconcile it ? One can be successfull in one area and fail in another.
Tesla is not a bad company. As an EV maker, it's as good as it gets (although it's still bad as a business). But if it was just that, it would be valued at 10% of what it is today, at best.
But it's promoted by Musk, and priced by the market, as a revolutionnary one. And if you look at the history of it, you see it's all smoke and mirrors. In the process Musk cashed out > 40 billion USD.
He's just the rich clown atop of the companies putting pressure and maybe unreasonable requests to smart people under him that as you go down the chain are actually closer to being worth their net worth.
>How do you reconcile his "bullshit" with the fact his spaceships are saving astronauts from space?
this reminds me of a common political tactic. "Mr. SoandSo couldn't be lying, look at his donation records and philanthropy! Look at the jobs he produced! The profit he has generated!"
Well, the matter-of-fact is that there is no need to reconcile the two states. He's a highly effective individual who has had great success in certain fields -- he's also a huckster con-man that over-promises and under-sells.
One could argue that his effectiveness on one sided is aided by his willing to take ethical shortcuts with his portrayed opinions and 'honesty' on the other side.
There are no pure shades of color in the human psyche.
I think fans of his would just call it '4D chess' and refer to his genius. Whatever floats your boat.
Taking your idea into straight non-sense : how many days does this space mission add to our expectation on FSD delivery? Are there grounds for a class-action lawsuit against Boeing originating from Tesla owners that are unhappy with the additional stress to the time-line? Sounds ridiculous from the other side...
>How do you reconcile his "bullshit" with the fact his spaceships are saving astronauts from space?
Easy - they aren't "his spaceships". He funded a bunch of other really smart people doing incredible things with rockets. That doesn't really exonerate him from continually spewing bullshit. If you want to go with Space-X bullshit - in 2016 he said there would be manned missions to Mars in 2024. He did it again in 2017, and multiple times after that. If there's one thing you can be sure of, whatever date Elon tells you something is going to happen, you should promptly throw into the trash where it belongs and try to find someone else at the company in question that isn't a pathological liar to give you a realistic timeline.
It's too bad the webmaster of elonmusk.today[1] hasn't kept it up to date with all of his BS promises. I guess it was too much content to keep track of, even for him!
Tesla is not currently licensed to operate a commercial autonomous ridehailing service in California. Musk predicted it would be easier to obtain permission in Texas than California.
Then why is he doing it in the Bay Area, then? Do it in Texas. Tesla has plenty of employees there.
He said they'd be building 50 thousand semis by now. He said they'd have 1 million robotaxis in 2020. Who cares what he says any more?
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If you believe any of Musk's bullshit, do yourself a favor and listen to past investor calls from Tesla. And then check how these statements and predictions turn out in reality.
"1000 times better than human driving by the second quarter of 2025". We're yet to see any reliable number from Tesla about those claims. Every single new version of FSD is "mind blowing" and looks like they "solved autonomy", for the past 4 years. And yet, they did unveil a concept Robotaxi in a ... Hollywood studio. Autonomy was solved in Hollywood studios and Theme parks 30 years ago.
p.s) For those misinformed about state of Neuralink. Currently in beta with quadriplegic patients.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVcMpjIY52Q
A complete grifter.
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Tesla is not a bad company. As an EV maker, it's as good as it gets (although it's still bad as a business). But if it was just that, it would be valued at 10% of what it is today, at best.
But it's promoted by Musk, and priced by the market, as a revolutionnary one. And if you look at the history of it, you see it's all smoke and mirrors. In the process Musk cashed out > 40 billion USD.
In Tesla’s case, it might be more of a problem because they sell to consumers: https://electrek.co/2024/10/15/tesla-needs-to-come-clean-abo...
But besides that, it only really affects investor outlook.
His companies make some great stuff, but he also overhypes everything they do. Both things can be true.
this reminds me of a common political tactic. "Mr. SoandSo couldn't be lying, look at his donation records and philanthropy! Look at the jobs he produced! The profit he has generated!"
Well, the matter-of-fact is that there is no need to reconcile the two states. He's a highly effective individual who has had great success in certain fields -- he's also a huckster con-man that over-promises and under-sells.
One could argue that his effectiveness on one sided is aided by his willing to take ethical shortcuts with his portrayed opinions and 'honesty' on the other side.
There are no pure shades of color in the human psyche.
I think fans of his would just call it '4D chess' and refer to his genius. Whatever floats your boat.
Taking your idea into straight non-sense : how many days does this space mission add to our expectation on FSD delivery? Are there grounds for a class-action lawsuit against Boeing originating from Tesla owners that are unhappy with the additional stress to the time-line? Sounds ridiculous from the other side...
Easy - they aren't "his spaceships". He funded a bunch of other really smart people doing incredible things with rockets. That doesn't really exonerate him from continually spewing bullshit. If you want to go with Space-X bullshit - in 2016 he said there would be manned missions to Mars in 2024. He did it again in 2017, and multiple times after that. If there's one thing you can be sure of, whatever date Elon tells you something is going to happen, you should promptly throw into the trash where it belongs and try to find someone else at the company in question that isn't a pathological liar to give you a realistic timeline.
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1: https://elonmusk.today
Then why is he doing it in the Bay Area, then? Do it in Texas. Tesla has plenty of employees there.
He said they'd be building 50 thousand semis by now. He said they'd have 1 million robotaxis in 2020. Who cares what he says any more?
Probably so he can blame in on politics when it fails spectacularly.
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