> doesn’t necessarily mean you should start — especially if you’re sensitive to caffeine or have been advised against it by your doctor.
So those who may be prone to heart problems are advised to not drink caffeine, and then we find that those who don't drink caffeine are more prone to heart problems. Yep.
That's something that I've worried about with these studies. Even if doctors don't warn patients, friends and family will sometimes actively discourage coffee and caffeine consumption among those with high blood pressure.
It undoubtedly has some effect, but hopefully the study has controlled for that.
>reduce the risk of developing cardiometabolic multimorbidity in individuals without any cardiometabolic disease,
Get funding for a study, run multiple regression against a large set of interviewees, find an outcome which satisfies the proponent, spin the results: people who drink coffee and do not have heart disease or diabetes get fewer heart disease or diabetes later, ergo, caffeine reduces the risk. People, this is not a double-blind study. It was biased from the start.
Drinking 3 cups of coffee might also make you more prone to doing things when you should be resting, staying in the wage-slave 9-5 grind for longer, etc. Personally, I think it's better to rest.
Coffee seems to be healthy today, unhealthy tomorrow, and healthy again next week. Though if there's any truth in these kinds of studies I've gotta be damn near invulnerable
Two doctors discussing a patient who has been revived out of cryostatis after many years:
Dr. Melik: This morning for breakfast he requested something called "wheat germ, organic honey and tiger's milk."
Dr. Aragon: [chuckling] Oh, yes. Those are the charmed substances that some years ago were thought to contain life-preserving properties.
Dr. Melik: You mean there was no deep fat? No steak or cream pies or... hot fudge?
Dr. Aragon: Those were thought to be unhealthy... precisely the opposite of what we now know to be true.
Dr. Melik: Incredible.
I feel like I rarely see anything negative about it, TBH. The last one that I remember reading was actually about decaf, due specifically to the decafeination process.
Same as eggs, butter, meat, etc, etc. The only constant seems to be that refined carbs are basically prepackaged obesity if you’re lucky or diabetes if you aren’t.
I think social media and pop journalists flip flop on those issues, but the converging lines of evidence over the last half century have not.
It just seems like the evidence is back and forth when one tweet summarizes a mendelian randomization study on LDL cholesterol and CVD outcomes, and then the next tweet is a guy with one million followers explaining how butter cures cancer. But it shouldn't be very confusing once you filter out the latter in favor of the former.
As a coffee drinker I take a mild interest in these things and I'm not sure I've seen any studies saying it's bad for you in the last few decades. Is there one you know?
People love to find problems with stuff so I'd imagine if there were problems they'd be publicised. My intuition is coffee doesn't actually have much effect on health either way.
I’m probably committing sacrilege but I drink a lot of instant coffee. Sorry…
It’s never clear if these coffee benefits apply to instant coffee or only to fresh brewed coffee. Has anyone see/read anything on instant coffee and health benefits?
This study refers to caffeine so it should apply. But coffee has numerous other compounds.. I think even decaf coffee is beneficial.
Hey! I drink instant coffee too. And I drink it room temperature. I'm not usually wanting to spend time with the coffee ritual, though I do enjoy it. So scooping some freeze dried coffee powder and having it ready to drink right away is nice.
My favorite brand is Mt Hagen. I tried Starbucks instant and found it really gross - way too sour.
I’m not too picky with my instant coffee, which I drink in the morning, microwave water and off you go, or when in a hurry/lazy which is most of the times. I usually go with Nescafé Taster’s choice or sometimes Bru with milk (Indian instant coffee with 30% chicory)
To make up for my coffee sins, I also roast green coffee at home and use either Hario V60 or go the espresso route.
James Hoffmann has a video where he tastes different instant coffee. Subjective, but could serve as inspiration for products to try of good quality (and what to stay away from):
I go a step further. I don't use milk for anything except coffee, so I bought a bag of lactose free skim milk powder and keep it in the freezer. I throw a teaspoon or two of that into a cup, mix in some tap water, stir it until the powder is dissolved and I have a little milk, then throw in either brewed coffee or some coffee crystals and hot water, depending on what I have on hand.
Milk powder is tastier than milk and keeps better in the freezer.
If I may suggest, try condensed milk. It’s even tastier since it has a little caramel flavor. Vietnamese “iced coffee over condensed milk” is amazing, try it if you haven’t at a Vietnamese restaurant.
There's good instant coffee these days. Both Sightglass and Ritual Roasters instant coffees are excellent. They're great to have on hand when you're staying at a hotel that only had a Keurig in the room.
> Drinking 1–5 cups/day of ground or instant coffee (but not decaffeinated coffee) was associated with a significant reduction in incident arrhythmia, including AF. The lowest risk was at 4–5 cups/day for ground coffee (HR 0.83; 95% CI [0.76–0.91]; P <0.0001) and 2–3 cups/day for instant coffee (HR, 0.88; 95% CI [0.85–0.92]; P <0.0001).
tl;dr Yes it has similar benefits, maybe slightly worse than "ground coffee" (I wish they had broken it down more granularly)
Instant coffee like Nescafé is just freeze dried brewed coffee no? But the problem with those instant coffee is they're all dark roast and overextracted to hide the disgusting taste.
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Small signals in study data are overhyped and extrapolated to make general sweeping conclusions.
I’m not saying coffee is either bad, or a miracle substance.
I am saying everyone and everything on this planet craves relevance.
So those who may be prone to heart problems are advised to not drink caffeine, and then we find that those who don't drink caffeine are more prone to heart problems. Yep.
It undoubtedly has some effect, but hopefully the study has controlled for that.
Get funding for a study, run multiple regression against a large set of interviewees, find an outcome which satisfies the proponent, spin the results: people who drink coffee and do not have heart disease or diabetes get fewer heart disease or diabetes later, ergo, caffeine reduces the risk. People, this is not a double-blind study. It was biased from the start.
It just seems like the evidence is back and forth when one tweet summarizes a mendelian randomization study on LDL cholesterol and CVD outcomes, and then the next tweet is a guy with one million followers explaining how butter cures cancer. But it shouldn't be very confusing once you filter out the latter in favor of the former.
People love to find problems with stuff so I'd imagine if there were problems they'd be publicised. My intuition is coffee doesn't actually have much effect on health either way.
Is it just as simple as exposing yourself to enough poison/radiation to kill weaker pathogens but not enough to hurt yourself too much?
It’s never clear if these coffee benefits apply to instant coffee or only to fresh brewed coffee. Has anyone see/read anything on instant coffee and health benefits?
This study refers to caffeine so it should apply. But coffee has numerous other compounds.. I think even decaf coffee is beneficial.
My favorite brand is Mt Hagen. I tried Starbucks instant and found it really gross - way too sour.
I’m not too picky with my instant coffee, which I drink in the morning, microwave water and off you go, or when in a hurry/lazy which is most of the times. I usually go with Nescafé Taster’s choice or sometimes Bru with milk (Indian instant coffee with 30% chicory)
To make up for my coffee sins, I also roast green coffee at home and use either Hario V60 or go the espresso route.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=8cIqLvJz8VM
Milk powder is tastier than milk and keeps better in the freezer.
> Drinking 1–5 cups/day of ground or instant coffee (but not decaffeinated coffee) was associated with a significant reduction in incident arrhythmia, including AF. The lowest risk was at 4–5 cups/day for ground coffee (HR 0.83; 95% CI [0.76–0.91]; P <0.0001) and 2–3 cups/day for instant coffee (HR, 0.88; 95% CI [0.85–0.92]; P <0.0001).
tl;dr Yes it has similar benefits, maybe slightly worse than "ground coffee" (I wish they had broken it down more granularly)
Interesting that lowest risk is at 4-5 cups for ground but 2-3 for instant.
https://clinicalnutritionespen.com/article/S2405-4577(23)021...