I was previsouly trying using Susan Rigetti's "So You Want to Study Mathematics..." guide. It has been posted here a few times, but it's so easy to get lost in doing tons of problems that are too easy or too hard for your level, especially when you already know quite a bit of math, but there are some things that you never really mastered and some things you've forgotten, but you don't know what. Identifying those areas can be really hard, but MathAcademy helps you do it.
I don't really like their gamification system, somehow the way they deal XP points feel non-rewarding when I get points and it feels like I get punished when I answer something wrong, maybe that's just me, but the gamification of other online learning apps like Brilliant feel more rewarding, but those apps are just much less efficient and complete overall.
I also wish the mobile experience was a bit better. I need to keep the phone in landscape mode just to see the page. It would also be nice with an "on the go" feature that would show only problems that can be done mentally, to make it easier to do some 5 minute session on the go when you don't have pen and paper nearby.
It's really a must for anyone who wants to self-study math to fill in gaps, learn machine learning, physics or just for fun, especially if you want to master it and not just learn it on a superficial level.
I'm surprised a mobile app does not exist, yet. That space is fairly successful for a number of learning platforms (Brilliant,Duolingo,SoloLearn, etc) and it makes sense that giving your subscribers to learn on-the-go would make many of them more inclined to stick with it. Duolingo worked on me because I could do a bit each time I had 20 min to kill while waiting for a bus or whatever.
To the best of my knowledge, they only have a single web dev. That's Jason, who is also a founder. Other Sandy, also a founder, who runs operations, a bit of help from their son when he's back from college, and an ML dev, the whole team is mathematicians who are working on content.
As a customer who spent a good amount of time on the app a couple of years ago, I don't think a mobile app would be very helpful. The website is perfectly usable from an iPad, but you should have a pen and scratchpad available while working through the exercises. On an iPad, the notes app works fine for this, but a phone just isn't the right form factor IMO.
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IMO, Brilliant isn't even in the same category as Math Academy when it comes to depth and Duolingo just may be the worst learning app ever created despite the fact that it's been a great business. I used to run a language school and later worked at a language learning startup and was active in communities of language learners. While I've met many people who have used Duolingo for hours a day for a year or even multiple years, I've never met a single person who's gotten to even a B2 level through Duolingo. If you really want to learn a language, get LingQ and either read stories in it or listen to the audio versions of them at the bus stop. That will get you a lot more input / minute.
definitely agree on the mobile support needed. it wouldn't be that difficult either (based on what i've seen in foundations 1 an 2). being desktop only means I can only really use it when my laptop is out. sometimes I travel around with just a sling and it would be nice to just have my phone with the problem out and a small notepad + calculator.
I'm not so sure about the spaced repetition side of things. Out of curiosity I've just opened MathAcademy after not doing any lessons for a little over two weeks and all choices I have are for new lessons. I expected to see an ocean of reviews instead, since surely I'm on the verge of forgetting a lot of what I've learned.
Other than that, I have very high hopes for the future of MA. It's by far the best platform I've found for actually learning math.
Regarding spaced repetition, keep in mind the following:
1. New tasks are selected only as you complete existing tasks (so if you come back after 2 weeks, you need to complete some existing tasks from 2 weeks ago to get new tasks selected based on your knowledge profile right now).
2. We are often able to implicitly knock out due reviews with new lessons. We're not just doing plain vanilla spaced repetition. We're doing a highly efficient novel version of it that we call Fractional Implicit Repetition (FIRe). I have a writeup on this that gained some traction on HN recently: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40954571
It will mix in the reviews too, don't worry. It's actually a bit clever with those and new tasks which rely on previous knowledge points will count as a small amount of review for those previous tasks too. It's not split into purely-new and purely-review.
>I'm not so sure about the spaced repetition side of things.
From what I could read, many studies have shown this is an effective technique. From my personal experience it only works if you understand what you are trying to remember. For example, trying to memorize some complicated formulas that you don't understand is doomed to fail.
I think you misunderstand. They aren't doubting SRS. They're doubting that MathAcademy is doing it. They logged in after 2 weeks and had no reviews waiting.
I recognize myself a lot when he talks about the feeling of losing knowledge acquired years ago. I would be very interested with MathAcademy if it can help me fight this!
I am also wondering if it can help me learn new knowledge, especially new topics in maths I have never learned before?
Also what is the difference between MathAcademy and Brilliant?
I have read many skeptical opinions on Brilliant, so it would be interesting to have a comparison.
Brilliant doesn't have spaced repetition, it has much less coverage and doesn't have enough exercises to let you really master subject, but it's an easy to use mobile app with nice visualizations that can give a conceptual understanding of many things. If MathAcademy and Brilliant covers the same topic, Brilliant may be more visually appealing and contain animations. Brilliant is nice for getting overview of many things, but doesn't really go that deep.
MathAcademy is great for learning new topics that you haven't studied before, provided they have a course in that subject.
I've tried both and am currently using MathAcademy to learn new knowledge. It's very, very good at incrementally building out concepts and gradually adding complexity. I had no luck at all with Brilliant. MathAcademy practically forces you to bust out a pencil and paper and dive into problems, but Brilliant was more like watching a kind of neat YouTube video on a topic.
I reckon it can and I am about to give it a shot, myself. It sounds like a Duolingo sort of structure, which can be boiled down to "use it or lose it" which is not hard to support with compelling evidence. Say what one will about Duolingo, but my Spanish and German are passable because of it (no, I am not fluent, but I can get by in common situations). Ideally, MathAcademy will cultivate the same results.
MA has that too. (Kind of, not exactly the same) For each course you can see a graph similar to https://mathacademy.com/img/screenshots/knowledge-graph-calc... with your current progress. The initial test (seriously comprehensive) gives you a summary of everything, so you can figure out the missing areas that way too.
TLDR: I learned from those kinds of resources myself, and while I came a long way, for the amount of effort I put into learning, I could have gone a lot further if my time were used more efficiently. That's the problem that Math Academy solves.
This was such a great overview of the whole 'math field'! I remember slowly going through it a while ago and trying to complete It was a huge task, but seeing what is there made the progress easy to measure and visible.
Fast forward some time in the future, and they have removed it...
I don't quite understand what you're trying to express. The function of Khan Academy was taken down several years ago. However, some traces can still be found online.
I agree with the observations of the author. I have found MA much more engaging than any book I've crossed paths with. Going from a pile of math textbooks to MA was going from good intentions to good results; it's quite amazing how much I've relearned over the past few months. This is the future, as far as I am concerned, with only refinements needed.
at 50$/month it can be interesting if you have an economical incentive to do it, but hard to justify if you just want to refresh your knowledge (not a critic, just a comment)
They really need a family plan. A $100/month family plan would be easy to justify as "it's for the kids". It'd be more effective if parents did it with their kids and it would let the parents use it without having to commit to "getting their money's worth". Once you get over $200/month, that starts to be more expensive than other kid's activities.
if you're an engineer, The $50 is a pittance. your time is the much bigger investment.
But lets put it in concrete terms. lets say you want to break into machine learning and deep learning but you lack the requisite math background.
if you start at foundations 1, if you put in around 8-9 hours a week of work into it, you can get to the end of math for machine learning after a year and a half. lets be cynical and say 2. At 50 usd x 24 months, you're looking at a cost of $1200 usd. Even the cheapest community college set of courses you'll be taking to get to that level will cost you more than that AND will require a ongoing time commitment where you show up at the classes. While its nice to have a class, Mathacademy is much more efficient for getting the information into your brain. You have the problem set in front of you and you see imediatly if you get it right or not. the time window for correcting yourself from feedback is tighter than you're ever going to get from a classroom where your graded problem sets come back days later.
AS for return on investment, Just look up how much machine learning engineers make. coding is the easy part. Having the mathematical maturity to understand why certain things are used where they are and kwowing enough to deviate where they don't work is PRICELESS.
It's trivial to justify if you're a middle-class Westerner. You'll likely spend dozens (more likely hundreds) of hours to properly refresh your knowledge; $50/mo is dominated by the time needed, unless your time is worth very little.
I struggle with my math courses at university (computer security), so much so, that I currently think about hiring a personal teacher for a couple hours a week before giving it another try.
I think my main problem (at least last time) is my inability to stay interested - I like having a real-world use case for the things im doing. It probably also didn't help, that my ADHD wasn't diagnosed last year.
Since MathAcadamy seems to address this problem (somewhat) I will try it for a couple weeks and report back. Might be interesting for some of you to get an entirely different perspective than the author's one.
A question for anyone with experience with MathAcademy: how does it handle proofs for the ideas it teaches? If my aim is to understand the mathematics, not just to solve equations, is this the right kind of tool?
My biggest complaint about the maths I've learned in the UK is that it was always taught mechanically. e.g. matrices were just taught as a set of rules for which numbers to add/multiply etc to get the right result, with no mention of why it all worked or the proofs behind it.
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I was previsouly trying using Susan Rigetti's "So You Want to Study Mathematics..." guide. It has been posted here a few times, but it's so easy to get lost in doing tons of problems that are too easy or too hard for your level, especially when you already know quite a bit of math, but there are some things that you never really mastered and some things you've forgotten, but you don't know what. Identifying those areas can be really hard, but MathAcademy helps you do it.
I don't really like their gamification system, somehow the way they deal XP points feel non-rewarding when I get points and it feels like I get punished when I answer something wrong, maybe that's just me, but the gamification of other online learning apps like Brilliant feel more rewarding, but those apps are just much less efficient and complete overall.
I also wish the mobile experience was a bit better. I need to keep the phone in landscape mode just to see the page. It would also be nice with an "on the go" feature that would show only problems that can be done mentally, to make it easier to do some 5 minute session on the go when you don't have pen and paper nearby.
It's really a must for anyone who wants to self-study math to fill in gaps, learn machine learning, physics or just for fun, especially if you want to master it and not just learn it on a superficial level.
As a customer who spent a good amount of time on the app a couple of years ago, I don't think a mobile app would be very helpful. The website is perfectly usable from an iPad, but you should have a pen and scratchpad available while working through the exercises. On an iPad, the notes app works fine for this, but a phone just isn't the right form factor IMO.
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IMO, Brilliant isn't even in the same category as Math Academy when it comes to depth and Duolingo just may be the worst learning app ever created despite the fact that it's been a great business. I used to run a language school and later worked at a language learning startup and was active in communities of language learners. While I've met many people who have used Duolingo for hours a day for a year or even multiple years, I've never met a single person who's gotten to even a B2 level through Duolingo. If you really want to learn a language, get LingQ and either read stories in it or listen to the audio versions of them at the bus stop. That will get you a lot more input / minute.
Other than that, I have very high hopes for the future of MA. It's by far the best platform I've found for actually learning math.
Regarding spaced repetition, keep in mind the following:
1. New tasks are selected only as you complete existing tasks (so if you come back after 2 weeks, you need to complete some existing tasks from 2 weeks ago to get new tasks selected based on your knowledge profile right now).
2. We are often able to implicitly knock out due reviews with new lessons. We're not just doing plain vanilla spaced repetition. We're doing a highly efficient novel version of it that we call Fractional Implicit Repetition (FIRe). I have a writeup on this that gained some traction on HN recently: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40954571
Happy to answer any questions you may have.
From what I could read, many studies have shown this is an effective technique. From my personal experience it only works if you understand what you are trying to remember. For example, trying to memorize some complicated formulas that you don't understand is doomed to fail.
Also what is the difference between MathAcademy and Brilliant? I have read many skeptical opinions on Brilliant, so it would be interesting to have a comparison.
MathAcademy is great for learning new topics that you haven't studied before, provided they have a course in that subject.
Does anyone have an opinion about MathAcademy vs KhanAcademy ?
TLDR: I learned from those kinds of resources myself, and while I came a long way, for the amount of effort I put into learning, I could have gone a lot further if my time were used more efficiently. That's the problem that Math Academy solves.
Fast forward some time in the future, and they have removed it...
Also: I too really hope they expand into physics.
But lets put it in concrete terms. lets say you want to break into machine learning and deep learning but you lack the requisite math background.
if you start at foundations 1, if you put in around 8-9 hours a week of work into it, you can get to the end of math for machine learning after a year and a half. lets be cynical and say 2. At 50 usd x 24 months, you're looking at a cost of $1200 usd. Even the cheapest community college set of courses you'll be taking to get to that level will cost you more than that AND will require a ongoing time commitment where you show up at the classes. While its nice to have a class, Mathacademy is much more efficient for getting the information into your brain. You have the problem set in front of you and you see imediatly if you get it right or not. the time window for correcting yourself from feedback is tighter than you're ever going to get from a classroom where your graded problem sets come back days later.
AS for return on investment, Just look up how much machine learning engineers make. coding is the easy part. Having the mathematical maturity to understand why certain things are used where they are and kwowing enough to deviate where they don't work is PRICELESS.
I think my main problem (at least last time) is my inability to stay interested - I like having a real-world use case for the things im doing. It probably also didn't help, that my ADHD wasn't diagnosed last year.
Since MathAcadamy seems to address this problem (somewhat) I will try it for a couple weeks and report back. Might be interesting for some of you to get an entirely different perspective than the author's one.
My biggest complaint about the maths I've learned in the UK is that it was always taught mechanically. e.g. matrices were just taught as a set of rules for which numbers to add/multiply etc to get the right result, with no mention of why it all worked or the proofs behind it.