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squarefoot · a year ago
What a bunch of greedy bastards. Not being able to repair an appliance/device/tool/whatever in some contexts could make the difference between life and death. And not just in combat. Imagine if the air filter on the Apollo 13 couldn't be hacked with what the astronauts had at hand up there because it was driven by closed electronics whose brain was sandwiched in multiple layers of DRM, NDAs, stupidity and lawyers: the guys would have been doomed.
akira2501 · a year ago
"We're sorry this Lithium Hydroxide canister does not appear to be genuine or has been refilled. Please contact Boeing for assistance and to order genuine parts."

As an aside one of the things I love about old school military equipment is the "battle short." It effectively disables all the safety equipment and limit switches and allows the device to run even though the device believes it should not. There's an extra measure of confidence you get just from seeing that option available to you. "No, damnit, RUN!"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battleshort

foobarbecue · a year ago
Curiosity (the Mars rover) has a battleshort mode and when we use it there's a message that says "putting my battle shorts on." Never fails to crack me up.
pcdoodle · a year ago
This is why I miss Visual Basic 6:

On Error Resume Next

tourmalinetaco · a year ago
As an industrial technician I fear the worst (and yet it excites me).
Brian_K_White · a year ago
Ever since the first time I encountered HDCP I have had a little fantasy about the bridge screen on the Enterprise refusing to display anything because of an hdcp glitch.

These days the imaginary recalcitrant screen isn't simply blank though, now there are ads which never fail.

I was at a local gyro shop a few weeks ago and all their menu displays were showing Amazon ads over their menus. I gave up on humanity right then.

squarefoot · a year ago
> Ever since the first time I encountered HDCP I have had a little fantasy about the bridge screen on the Enterprise refusing to display anything because of an hdcp glitch.

Speaking of SciFi, I fantasized about a novel in which an alien species visiting our long dead planet in the future can't recover what's left of our culture because it had been all wrapped in DRM whose keys died with us. By extension, if the Rosetta Stone makers adopted the same practices, we would know squat about ancient Egyptian language. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_Stone

avgDev · a year ago
What I hate the most is when companies will come out and say they don't want people touching things due to safety concerns. The awful thing is that it is working.

More and more I see people saying "Oh I won't touch the brakes on my car because what if I mess up". I am confident most people could replace the brakes on their car.

MaxPengwing · a year ago
It's not just repairing cars, I told a coworker I replaces the fuse in my Bosch blender and he looked at me as if I was insane. "But what if it catches fire?" was his reply.

Dragging my team to the nearest maker space for a teambuilding exercise as soon as I figure out how to convince HR to pay for it. People need to know things do not catch fire if you repair it.

squarefoot · a year ago
> due to safety concerns

Seems just a rehash of the same old excuse: "someone think of the children!" which usually comes from people not giving a damn about children but worried about their own interests.

ryukoposting · a year ago
It makes sense that the military would be the first organization to get widespread federal R2R protections. The US Gov't basically uses the DoD as a funding firehose for private sector R&D, so it's only natural that there would be some ground rules for companies that want to "take a drink from the hose," so to speak.

Hopefully this will serve as a "Eureka" moment for the powers that be in DC. Just cut out the part that says "but only when the military is the customer."

noobermin · a year ago
Many of the powers that be, particularly those with positions of influence in the DoD make their riches off exclusive contracts with the DoD with private companies they own or are invested in. Not to mention lawmakers themselves who invest in such contractors. The powers that be in DC are the problem, they don't want to fix it.
fransje26 · a year ago
> Hopefully this will serve as a "Eureka" moment for the powers that be in DC.

And who do you think has been lining the pockets of said powers in DC, to get the military in that situation in the first place?

jabroni_salad · a year ago
If my exmil co-workers have taught me anything its that anything and everything can be macgyver'd in a pinch. If jerry rigging was a sport these guys would be ranked competitive players.

In this case, your 'threat actor' is servicemen and 'arms race' is like, their whole thing. These guys are bored out of their mind for 95% of their career and will take anything apart if the activity gets them 2 hrs closer to a break.

lotsofpulp · a year ago
I bet they cannot macgyver it if it’s software locked.
lazide · a year ago
Screwdrivers and duct taped on wires can be remarkably effective at bypassing switches and relays.

And having a random private stand around and poke something with a screwdriver when you want something to explode is, well, pretty much how much of the military works anyway.

dismalpedigree · a year ago
You drastically overestimate the vast majority of military systems.
fragmede · a year ago
because they can't run Ida pro and hack it?
jprd · a year ago
Eisenhower warned us about this kind of eventuality, and I personally never thought it could ever get this far. Outrageous.
krapp · a year ago
If you're referring to the military industrial complex, I don't think this is what Eisenhower was warning about.
worik · a year ago
> If you're referring to the military industrial complex, I don't think this is what Eisenhower was warning about.

The opposition to the "right to repair" is coming from the "military industrial complex"

That complex is the nexus of industrial players who have become to feel entitled to anything they want

That is what they are doing with the opposition to "right to repair" and that is what, in general terms (he was predicting the future - cut him some slack) Eisenhower was warning about.

plussed_reader · a year ago
An easy litmus test if a company is part of the complex is whether they're a defense contractor or not. The companies in TFA don't pass this smell test.
rqtwteye · a year ago
What are they going to do when they are in a real war with a capable enemy? In the midst of battle call the manufacturer and request a service tech to fly in while bombs are flying? Or maybe spend a few hours calling customer service?
hunter-gatherer · a year ago
That's exactly the scheme for for defense contractors, actually. They'll happily send technicians to an austere environment to do maintenance for an extra fee. This has been going on for years, but it is just getting worse.
rqtwteye · a year ago
That's not going to work in a real battle.
dotnet00 · a year ago
They get to extort more money at that time for "lost revenue" as the cost of allowing field repairs.
SideQuark · a year ago
"The Section would require Department of Defense procurement contracts to be contingent on a contractor's agreement to continually provide access to all repair materials and information, with no carve-outs or limitations to protect sensitive trade secret information."

"To enable access to sensitive proprietary and trade secret information beyond that necessary for standard repair and maintenance, customized license agreements can be tailored on a case-by-case basis to achieve specified repair and maintenance objectives.

NegativeK · a year ago
I assume that doesn't apply to source code?

It seems somewhat absurd to suggest, but it's less absurd if a defense company provided binaries and then suddenly goes out of business.

SideQuark · a year ago
> I assume that doesn't apply to source code?

Why assume that?

".... with no carve-outs or limitations to protect sensitive trade secret information"

Seems like claiming source code to the device is private would be a carve out.

M95D · a year ago
Is it even possible for a defense contractor company to go out of business? Aren't they in the "too big to fail" category?
WatchDog · a year ago
Right to repair legislation makes more sense to me for consumer products, where the individual bargaining power is quite low.

The military has a much much stronger bargaining position, why don't they already require that their contractors provide repairable equipment?

zdragnar · a year ago
Simple answer: the people doing the buying aren't the people that are using.

Slightly less simple answer: the amount of red tape around getting contacts is obscene, so the DOD has severely limited the number of places it can go to buy many bits of kit. There's a lot of incestuous relationships between the military and the companies that supply it as well.

On the one hand, that's not strictly a bad thing. A former soldier knows rather well what it's like to be in the field, and supporting veteran run businesses is a good thing to do.

On the other hand, what's more often the case is desk jockeys move into lobbying positions and / or join the large corporations after they put in some time and the network effect takes over in a rather invirtious cycle.

There are literally consulting companies that exist to help you navigate the red tape to get contacts, because doing it on your own means losing to the big names (often for whom the very contacts themselves are tailored to).

andrewflnr · a year ago
> Simple answer: the people doing the buying aren't the people that are using.

This doesn't work at all. The logistics desk jockeys also benefit financially from right to repair. The rest of your post doesn't really have anything to do with the user/buyer divide, at least not the way we usually think of it.

noobermin · a year ago
Did you know medicare is unable to negotiate drug prices and usually pays through the nose to pharma companies on behalf of medicare beneficiaries? The Biden admin managed to negotiate down less than 20 drugs and this was hailed as a progressive victory which just highlights how broken it is.

This for me is the strongest argument against single payer healthcare in America. As long as bribery is considered free speech, nothing where the government is the single payer (like the DOD is for military equipment and goods) can ever work without extensive graft. Repeat for things like roads, geneal infrastructure, the list goes on.

robwwilliams · a year ago
With Warren on this proposed legislation whatever the pain for vendors. Lock-in on service might be acceptable during peace but not at all in combat. Slightly ironic that this should apply with equal force to code.
passwordoops · a year ago
Lock-in on service should never be acceptable under any circumstances, war, peace, military, civilian
crest · a year ago
Lock-on instead of lock-in?