Allulose! Why isn’t it more popular? Tastes almost exactly like refined white cane sugar, caramelizes like sugar, yet has almost no calories and doesn’t make blood sugar spike. Just had some hot chocolate made with it and I’d give you $5 if you could tell it from regular sugar.
Until last year I hadn’t heard of allulose. Through the course of the year I started trying some new sugar free products. As usual most of them were a disappointment but I noticed a trend. The ones that I enjoyed and actually satisfied my occasional sugar craving contained allulose.
Allulose is great. I can’t stand the other ones (omg monkfruit is the worst) but allulose tastes pretty spot on, very little strangeness.
I like that it dissolves more easily than sugar in cold or room temperature liquids. I’d recommend to start slowly with it since it made me a bit farty initially.
I wonder where can I buy it? I have been doing the rounds experimenting with artificial sweeteners and it's actually very interesting seeing how different they are.
I bought a big bag on Amazon and really like it. This is the one I got (not an affiliate link, copied from the Amazon iPhone app) https://a.co/d/2w8I9py
There was an incredible post on HN a couple years ago about a guy who would test experimental sweeteners and one of them left his mouth tasting sweet for several months. I tried to find it in the past but never could.
Was it his mouth or his kitchen? I remember a post about someone who ordered a sweetener from some Chinese industrial supplier and accidentally spilled/destroyed the packaging in his kitchen, making everything cooked there taste sweet for a long time.
At an old job I was responsible for blending custom alcoholic drinks before we sent it to bottling. One required stevia which when you opened the bag it came in would float into the air everywhere (it’s a super fine powder) and being young and stupid we didn’t wear any masks or anything. For the next couple days you’d have a constant taste of it in your mouth / nose that reminded me of sweetarts candy.
> I have a slight fascination with sweeteners. About five years ago I imported a kilo of "Neotame" sweetener from a chem factory in Shanghai. It was claimed to be 10,000-12,000 times sweeter than sugar. It's a white powder and came in a metal can with a crimped lid and typically plain chemical labeling. Supposedly it is FDA-approved and a distant derivative of aspartame.
US customs held it for two weeks before sending it on to Colorado with no explanation. When received, the box was covered in "inspected" tape and they had put the canister in a clear plastic bag. The crimped lid looked like a rottweiler chewed it open and white powder was all over the inside of the bag. I unwisely opened this in my kitchen with no respirator as advised by the MSDS which I read after the fact (I am not a smart man).
Despite careful handling of the bag, it is so fine in composition that a small cloud of powder erupted in front of me and a hazy layer of the stuff settled over the kitchen. Eyes burning and some mild choking from inhaling the cloud, I instantly marveled at how unbelievably sweet the air tasted, and it was delicious. For several hours I could still taste it on my lips. The poor customs inspector will have had a lasting memory of that container I'm pretty sure.
Even after a thorough wipe-down, to this day I encounter items in my kitchen with visually imperceptible amounts of residue. After touching it and getting even microscopic quantities of the stuff on a utensil or cup, bowl, plate, whatever, it adds an intense element of sweetness to the food being prepared, sometimes to our delight. I still have more than 900g even after giving away multiple baggies to friends and family (with proper safety precautions).
We have been hooked on it since that first encounter. I keep a 100mL bottle of solution in the fridge which is used to fill smaller dropper bottles. I've prepared that 100mL bottle three times over five years, and that works out to about 12g of personal (somewhat heavy) usage for two people in that time. Probably nowhere near the LD50.
I carry a tiny 30mL dropper bottle of the solution for sweetening the nasty office coffee and anything else as appropriate. Four drops to a normal cup of coffee. We sweeten home-carbonated beverages, oatmeal, baked goods (it is heat stable), use it in marinades, and countless other applications.
I don't know if it's safe. The actual quantity used is so incredibly tiny that it seems irrelevant. I'd sweeten my coffee with polonium-210 if it could be done in Neotame-like quantities. Between this, a salt shaker loaded with MSG and a Darwin fish on my car, I'm doomed anyway.
IMO, stevia can have a superior flavor profile to sugar for certain specific use cases. I really like it in ice teas because the sweetness comes on slow and that makes the drink seem more refreshing. Also, I can't taste any aftertaste because the tea leaves themselves produce a mild, pleasant bitter aftertaste which is conveniently paired with the longer-lasting sweetness of stevia.
That said I can see why stevia would not work for Coca Cola because you don't want the underlying bitterness of caffeine to hit you first without any sweetness. Coke needs to hit you fast. The thing about coke is that it's all about the first sip. It's as much about flavor as it is about freshness. The first sip must overwhelm your senses and energize you.
With ice teas, on the other hand, the flavors don't have to come on straight away because you're looking for freshness first and foremost. I think the pleasantness of it is mostly about cooling and soothing. You don't want it to hit you too fast; so a slow-onset flavor profile works better.
My mind is kind of blown reading this entire thread. I've always thought stevia tasted like bitter ass, not a redeeming flavor in the entire profile, ruins every food or beverage it's in, etc. I've never met anyone personally who likes it, but it turns out a bunch of nerds on the Internet do!
> That said I can see why stevia would not work for Coca Cola because you don't want the underlying bitterness of caffeine to hit you first without any sweetness.
There was a short-lived product called coca cola life, with a green label that I first saw in 2015 that was sweetened with stevia alongside sugar. I never tried it.
I discovered that it's better to avoid sweeteners completely and consume sugars in small amounts. Both seem to be bad for the body but differently. Sweeteners make me hungry. Sugars make me high then low. After a few years of low sweetness I started to find milk sweet. I can drink coffee without sugar because milk by itself tastes sweet enough (lactose). I completely stopped with soft drinks and dilute juices with the same to double the amount of water or just drink plain water.
Does anyone know if there are any issues with sugar alcohols (like maltitol/sorbitol etc)? I see them in medical syrups at times.
Bonus fun fact related to the regulation of such sweeteners: even though the EU is generally considered more "strict", the sweetener cylamate is banned in the US while you can buy it at a European Lidl/Aldi (which is also the source of my sweetener bottle.)
Also potential disruption of gut biota, since some 'bad' bacteria can consume sugar alcohols.
A lot of my problems started around the same time I started binge chewing gum, but that was not the only factor in play so who knows what really happened. I started binge chewing gum because job stress was starting to give me TMJ.
Anecdotal, but they mess with my stomach, even in small amounts. I can tell when I’ve accidentally eaten a food with sugar alcohols because I’ll get an unpleasant gurgling soon after.
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I like that it dissolves more easily than sugar in cold or room temperature liquids. I’d recommend to start slowly with it since it made me a bit farty initially.
Sucralose is very potent, one knife tip sweetens 4l of water and the powder is very fine and tends to linger around. It's also very cheap.
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> I have a slight fascination with sweeteners. About five years ago I imported a kilo of "Neotame" sweetener from a chem factory in Shanghai. It was claimed to be 10,000-12,000 times sweeter than sugar. It's a white powder and came in a metal can with a crimped lid and typically plain chemical labeling. Supposedly it is FDA-approved and a distant derivative of aspartame. US customs held it for two weeks before sending it on to Colorado with no explanation. When received, the box was covered in "inspected" tape and they had put the canister in a clear plastic bag. The crimped lid looked like a rottweiler chewed it open and white powder was all over the inside of the bag. I unwisely opened this in my kitchen with no respirator as advised by the MSDS which I read after the fact (I am not a smart man).
Despite careful handling of the bag, it is so fine in composition that a small cloud of powder erupted in front of me and a hazy layer of the stuff settled over the kitchen. Eyes burning and some mild choking from inhaling the cloud, I instantly marveled at how unbelievably sweet the air tasted, and it was delicious. For several hours I could still taste it on my lips. The poor customs inspector will have had a lasting memory of that container I'm pretty sure.
Even after a thorough wipe-down, to this day I encounter items in my kitchen with visually imperceptible amounts of residue. After touching it and getting even microscopic quantities of the stuff on a utensil or cup, bowl, plate, whatever, it adds an intense element of sweetness to the food being prepared, sometimes to our delight. I still have more than 900g even after giving away multiple baggies to friends and family (with proper safety precautions).
We have been hooked on it since that first encounter. I keep a 100mL bottle of solution in the fridge which is used to fill smaller dropper bottles. I've prepared that 100mL bottle three times over five years, and that works out to about 12g of personal (somewhat heavy) usage for two people in that time. Probably nowhere near the LD50.
I carry a tiny 30mL dropper bottle of the solution for sweetening the nasty office coffee and anything else as appropriate. Four drops to a normal cup of coffee. We sweeten home-carbonated beverages, oatmeal, baked goods (it is heat stable), use it in marinades, and countless other applications.
I don't know if it's safe. The actual quantity used is so incredibly tiny that it seems irrelevant. I'd sweeten my coffee with polonium-210 if it could be done in Neotame-like quantities. Between this, a salt shaker loaded with MSG and a Darwin fish on my car, I'm doomed anyway.
That said I can see why stevia would not work for Coca Cola because you don't want the underlying bitterness of caffeine to hit you first without any sweetness. Coke needs to hit you fast. The thing about coke is that it's all about the first sip. It's as much about flavor as it is about freshness. The first sip must overwhelm your senses and energize you.
With ice teas, on the other hand, the flavors don't have to come on straight away because you're looking for freshness first and foremost. I think the pleasantness of it is mostly about cooling and soothing. You don't want it to hit you too fast; so a slow-onset flavor profile works better.
There was a short-lived product called coca cola life, with a green label that I first saw in 2015 that was sweetened with stevia alongside sugar. I never tried it.
Bonus fun fact related to the regulation of such sweeteners: even though the EU is generally considered more "strict", the sweetener cylamate is banned in the US while you can buy it at a European Lidl/Aldi (which is also the source of my sweetener bottle.)
A lot of my problems started around the same time I started binge chewing gum, but that was not the only factor in play so who knows what really happened. I started binge chewing gum because job stress was starting to give me TMJ.