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blahyawnblah · 2 years ago
I won't use door dash for pizza. I really like that most pizza places have their own drivers. Door dash is too unreliable and loaded with fees.
s0rce · 2 years ago
I guess you may have to forgo delivery pizza if more chains go this way and realize the entire business is not profitable with higher labor costs and simply stop offering the service entirely.
dragonwriter · 2 years ago
Most delivery pizza service in CA is not by reataurants subject to the large fast-food chain minimum wage law, because they usually don't meet one or both of the fast-food or large chain [0] requirements.

[0] technically, “national chain”, but its a number-of-restuarants-within-the-US standard, not a breadth of geographic coverage standard.

toomuchtodo · 2 years ago
Worst things could happen than food delivery evaporating due to living wages making it economically unviable.
toasted-subs · 2 years ago
Maybe we can start to lower the number one killer of Americans.
ShadowBanThis01 · 2 years ago
Nobody should use DoorDash or any other food-delivery service. These scumbags rip off restaurants, going so far as to hijack their online presence by putting up fake phone numbers and posing as the restaurant to take orders.

Go to the restaurant and get your own goddamned food, or learn how to cook. Don't feed these parasites.

gaadd33 · 2 years ago
I thought that was Grubhub, Doordash does it as well?
c0nducktr · 2 years ago
DoorDash really seems to be the way tech has brought enshittification to restaurants. I'd love for it to revert soon, but I feel it'll get far worse before it gets any better.
MattGaiser · 2 years ago
Are pizza places where you are lower in fees/have free delivery? My local Domino's and Pizza Hut also have delivery fees, making Dashpass cheaper on the fees. The prices in the app are higher of course, but only by a few dollars.
Mkengine · 2 years ago
Here in Germany I think we don't even have third party delivery, every food place has it's own drivers with a delivery fee ranging from 0-2€ in my city (~ 500,000 citizens)
adrr · 2 years ago
You won't notice that it is door dash. You still order through the pizza place but the delivery is done by a door dash driver not their own driver.
cameldrv · 2 years ago
You'll notice. I was in New York and wanted to get a good pizza. I called the place my friend recommended to place a delivery order, and it arrived 40 minutes late and cold. To add insult to injury, we didn't get some of the other items we ordered. We called back the pizza place, there was massive confusion, and then finally they said that we'd have to take it up with DoorDash. We had to argue for 10 minutes before they finally got the driver to deliver the rest of our stuff.
pokstad · 2 years ago
I wondered what kind of impact a minimum labor law on a specific industry would cause, and this is one example. Instead of first party delivery, Pizza Huts in CA will rely on 3rd party delivery (Uber Eats, Door Dash) to deliver their pizzas.
s0rce · 2 years ago
Seems like a huge gap in worker protections if its as simple as running all your delivers through third party contractors at below minimum wage.
peyton · 2 years ago
Uber pays below minimum wage in California? How? Maybe their economics are better since they deliver for different types of restaurants or something?
belltaco · 2 years ago
Does the law not affect drivers for third party services?
Nextgrid · 2 years ago
Technically this is a benefit as it would bring economies of scale - many restaurants can now enjoy delivery since they all share the same delivery network, resulting in more efficient delivery across the board.
bitshiftfaced · 2 years ago
There's an additional benefit. If the delivery side of the business results in a disproportionate number of 1 star reviews, then they can offload those reviews onto Door Dash.

An apartment complex I'm familiar with has 4.5+ star reviews on Google. They use a separate business to handle all of their tenets' package deliveries. If you look at that company's ratings it's filled with negative reviews.

onlyrealcuzzo · 2 years ago
This seems like another case of the law working as intended - when everyone thinks instead this is the opposite of what "they" wanted to happen.
geocrasher · 2 years ago
I'd have agreed with you if you hadn't used "they" in quotes as if "they" are the same ones that keep UFO's under wraps.
freitasm · 2 years ago
I am not sure how it is there but here in NZ most places charge more for Uber Eats and Dash deliveries because margins are lower as these services charge both the customers and businesses.

I rather pay more knowing it goes to an employee salary than pay more and have the money go to these large corporations that try everything to pay drivers less.

perryizgr8 · 2 years ago
Isn't this exactly what you'd think would happen? If a job is worth $x in the free market and the state puts an artifical restriction on wages that they should be at least $x+y, one of two things must happen. Either the cost to customers goes up by y or the job disappears. Guess pizza is not worth x+y right now.
viraptor · 2 years ago
Some missed parameters for the payment: The cost goes up and/or the margin goes down and/or the product gets cheaper.
shusaku · 2 years ago
It seems like a mistake to me. Uber managed to normalize the luxury of having your food delivered at a high markup. With Silicon Valley companies tightening their belts, their competitive advantage (running ads, tons of deals, etc) will dry up, so you’d think Pizza Hut franchises could just bump the delivery fee.
almost_usual · 2 years ago
Title seems misleading, it’s not all of California, mostly SoCal.
nitwit005 · 2 years ago
It makes conceptual sense, if the third party delivery firms aren't subject to the same regulation, but I can't see them being happy with their reliability.

Some people specifically order from pizza places due to bad experiences with DoorDash and friends.

mc32 · 2 years ago
They should abolish tipping.

Once they abolish tipping, then they can set minimum wages.

Sadly, I wouldn't be surprised to see tipping integrated into self-check out stations soon.

spacedcowboy · 2 years ago
There are self-checkout machines that now ask for a tip [1]...

I don't see tipping going away any time soon, more's the pity...

[1] https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tipping-self-checkout-machine-c...

mc32 · 2 years ago
Wow. I mean, I've seen tipping hyperinflation with options for 20, 25 and 30% (I've been told some have even higher defaults) rather than the previous 10, 15, 20% and I've seen it integrated at places where a clerk merely rings you up (lots of airport shops) but not when there was no interaction with any person as in the article.

That's outrageous. I think I'm going to actively decline tipping as a protest. This is "tipping usury".