“Interim CEO Mira Murati plans to rehire Sam and Greg, and is in talks with board rep Adam D’Angelo to do so (in what capacity is not yet finalized). However, concurrently, the OpenAI board is looking to hire its own CEO, and has reached out to two candidates that we’ve spoken to, both prominent execs”
Gotta love that Adam D'Angelo who has a clear conflict of interest with Poe to OpenAI's GPTs release from dev day is still on the board and is now somehow the one tasked with leading this negotiation from the boards side.
There's no conflict of interest with (what he believes to be) OpenAI's principles and his job as a board member. There was no conflict in reality either until two weeks ago.
Lmao this just clicked for me. I was reading about the many iterations of OpenAI’s board’s various conflicts of interests. But I hadn’t used Poe and didn’t realize it was basically characters/Agents.
I interpret the article as saying she's working on rehiring Greg as president and Sam as CEO, in "parallel" with the board looking for a different CEO.
Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.
I think there is a consensus that developing AGI is the most important thing for the continued existence of human civilization. And we know a chair or table will not stand with just two legs. In fact some believe the USA grew into the most prosperous and powerful country because its founder were wise enough to design the government with three branches, each with their own powers and checks and balances between them.
We have seen that Ilya and Sam can not work together on their own. With only two natural leaders, there is no way to solve any dispute, as voting would lead to a stalemate. I believe Elon has a lot to bring to the table here, he nearly perfectly fills in the deficiencies of the other two - Elon has a strong grounding in ethics and morals (consider how many of his ventures post Paypal have been to truly benefit human society rather than just make money) which I feel could rein in Sam's tendency to ruthlessly pursue profit with questionable morality - see WorldCoin. Additionally, I think his real world experience could counter-balance some of the naivete we've seen with Ilya since his rather sudden entrance into the spotlight.
I truly hope the right people consider this and can convince Elon to step up and fulfill what may be considered his true potential.
Most of the people here don't know who founded OpenAI and why they founded it.
Board in the question is the real developers of this technology and has members known to be not sold before. Ilya and his team is the core developer even we can call them inventors of this tech. While others who paid by sam can be replaced, the core teams always stated that they want "open" sourced project and not a value and profit based company.
I think it is a good thing that OpenAI won't let silicon valley bully run into company. They spent whole their life on this technology and they won't let any "i'm the network guy and i'm the CEO" type of guy sell and brag about it.
He even went to take Hawking Fellowship award. What? Bro, let ilya or alec take it. What a douche!
That’s not true. Key researchers responsible for GPT-4 have quit over the events. There is not a single “core” team. There are different sides and views on this matter.
Can you share their names? GPT-4 is a larger and boarder tech of GAN and GPT-1. How GPT-4 responsible researchers are "key people". Also yes there is a core team. Ilyas team and Jan Leike. Alec and super-alignment. Ilya and alec created the core tech. others just help it to become a product.
The 2 scientist quit over this was working on risk evaluation and manager? How they are key developers? --- im not saying their work is not important
I see literally no reason for Sam to stay without a full board resignation and return to CEO. All other options are just downsides when he can walk, start Newco, and take everyone with him. He'd lose the restrictive governance model and gain full-control.
I think Murati is actually on team Altman, but that just makes me think that he should walk even more. Take Murati and start Newco with the exact same org chart.
Everyone says Sam can start a newco so easily, but he'd lose the data, codebase and deployed infrastructure, and a lot of knowledge. If people think it's devastating for OpenAI to lose 1/3 of its employees, Sam would basically be starting with the equivalent of an OpenAI that lost 2/3, along with all the other problems. Of course, with enough time and money he can recover, but I don't think it would be that easy. And to Sam, such a slowdown when he had so much momentum before may be the hardest thing to accept.
> He'd lose the restrictive governance model and gain full-control.
He'd lose the dataset, which is by far the most valuable thing they have. The genie is out of the bottle and making such a dataset again is not going to be easy or cheap (or maybe even legal).
We're still in the early days of LLM training- saying that datasets are tapped is like saying we hit peak oil in 1880. This is still early days for the field, and it's not clear how efficient new training methods might become, or how small the smallest viable training set can be. There's more scrutiny now sure, but Altman was one of the people pushing for that scrutiny. He likely is capable of navigating the pit traps that would be there for competitors.
Or even possible. They won't have twitter api access that they did until recently. And they certainly won't have the gigantic dataset ChatGPT is collecting.
Yes. GPT-4 is surely a drop in the hat compared to the endgame. Each generation of hardware becomes more and more capable, and hardware is what matters in the end. If anything starting fresh would likely pay off in an enormous way for him, as cash would be easy to raise, and he would be able to maintain his position indefinitely without risk of the board losing their minds.
Get NVidia, AMD, or Apple to help fund the new entity and/or get some chip designers on board to push things further than OpenAI can without reaching into Microsoft’s pocket. A pocket I’m sure will be much tighter after the recent chicanery.
Capital would NOT a problem at this point as it’s beyond proof of concept… A normal start up, trying to prove itself, sure, but at this point Altman has proven the idea and himself at the helm. I’d also argue the dataset they used to train it, is not that relevant long term. As the data itself was agglomerated from the internet and can be had again. Even better data perhaps because the copyright holders can become investors. You really just need the capacity to deal with it, from ingestion to legal, which is a capital problem.
Probably never even has said so.
Current board wants to drive the non-profit version and safer future for AI. Leaving the board means full commercial route ahead, most likely.
So the board fired the CEO and appointed a new one. The new CEO now wants to hire the old CEO back but now the board doesn’t want either of them to be CEO and is trying to find a totally new CEO. What a friggin’ mess.
To the contrary, I would prefer to interpret the article's wording as saying she's working on rehiring Sam and Greg into their old positions, presumably directly against the board's wishes.
You're assuming this story is legit. Anonymous sources have been all over the place, seeding the idea that that Sam will return; the board hasn't responded. Maybe it's as big a mess on the board's side as you say. Maybe Sam's supporters are trying to create a dominant narrative that becomes self-fulfilling.
At this stage, I wonder if @sama and @gdb could just form ReOpenedAI? They could at least forgoe to pretense of the work being for some kind of greater good than profit.
Readit News
Breaking: Sam Altman Will Not Return as CEO of OpenAI
https://www.theinformation.com/articles/breaking-sam-altman-...
https://x.com/emilychangtv/status/1726457543629914389?s=46
I can’t imagine why any CEO would want to take the job and be Sam’s boss. There’s no way that goes well.
She could be doing a move from The Expanse where she's Jim Holden and Sam is Camina Drummer (plus Adam is Chrisjen Avasarala).
If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
We have seen that Ilya and Sam can not work together on their own. With only two natural leaders, there is no way to solve any dispute, as voting would lead to a stalemate. I believe Elon has a lot to bring to the table here, he nearly perfectly fills in the deficiencies of the other two - Elon has a strong grounding in ethics and morals (consider how many of his ventures post Paypal have been to truly benefit human society rather than just make money) which I feel could rein in Sam's tendency to ruthlessly pursue profit with questionable morality - see WorldCoin. Additionally, I think his real world experience could counter-balance some of the naivete we've seen with Ilya since his rather sudden entrance into the spotlight. I truly hope the right people consider this and can convince Elon to step up and fulfill what may be considered his true potential.
I think it is a good thing that OpenAI won't let silicon valley bully run into company. They spent whole their life on this technology and they won't let any "i'm the network guy and i'm the CEO" type of guy sell and brag about it.
He even went to take Hawking Fellowship award. What? Bro, let ilya or alec take it. What a douche!
I think Murati is actually on team Altman, but that just makes me think that he should walk even more. Take Murati and start Newco with the exact same org chart.
He'd lose the dataset, which is by far the most valuable thing they have. The genie is out of the bottle and making such a dataset again is not going to be easy or cheap (or maybe even legal).
That's always the assumption people are going with, but is it true?
I know it is to much to wish for, but I hope Sam and Ilya reconcile their differences. They are the most obvious example of 1+1>2.
NextAI
Get NVidia, AMD, or Apple to help fund the new entity and/or get some chip designers on board to push things further than OpenAI can without reaching into Microsoft’s pocket. A pocket I’m sure will be much tighter after the recent chicanery.
Capital would NOT a problem at this point as it’s beyond proof of concept… A normal start up, trying to prove itself, sure, but at this point Altman has proven the idea and himself at the helm. I’d also argue the dataset they used to train it, is not that relevant long term. As the data itself was agglomerated from the internet and can be had again. Even better data perhaps because the copyright holders can become investors. You really just need the capacity to deal with it, from ingestion to legal, which is a capital problem.
- It takes 10s of millions of dollars in GPU time for training?
- Curation of data to train on
- Maybe 10s of thousands of man hours for reinforcement?
- How many lines of code are written for the nets and data pipelines?
Does anyone have any insight on these numbers?
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Edit: Not to choose the CEO but do the practical things
The interim CEO can hire people below her (advisers, other C-suite execs) but has no authority to hire the permanent CEO.
The article says “in a capacity that has yet to be finalized” - so this might be not as significant.
> but now the board doesn’t want either of them to be CEO and is trying to find a totally new CEO
That part is not unexpected - they announced an interim CEO after all.
Additionally there are no sources and the article is based on hearsay. For all we know this might be clickbait.
They're never going to get the funding they need after this clown show. Nobody is going to give them $$$ without seriously restructuring the board.
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