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Posted by u/ritzaco 2 years ago
Ask HN: Do you know what is going on at Wise?
So my general impression is that Wise (the FinTech company/ previously TransferWise) generally has (had?) great reputation for excellent customer service and a good product. I certainly appreciated unparalleled service for them until they froze my account a few weeks ago and changed my incoming US bank details with 2 working days' notice (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37925678).

I thought this was a coincidence, but since then I've read or heard a bunch of reports and maybe it is not in fact a coincidence.

- Changed US bank details at short notice, caused operational chaos for anyone using them for incoming payments as all incoming payments to the "old" details bounced: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37936076

- Deactivated all US debit cards on 2 working days' notice, making a very fun weekend for anyone who had a wise card loaded into 100+ SaaS services I assume https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38046293

- Not limited to US as there are accounts of them blocking Europe-based businesses (mine above and also e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38047863)

- Reports on places like https://www.facebook.com/groups/transferwisevictims/ of people taking 3.5 months to get their funds returned

- I randomly mentioned Wise problems to a friend and she immediately said "Oh wow I closed my account in the US and used them to transfer all the funds to Europe. They just 'lost' the transfer as it's now gone from my US account and is not credited to my Europe account and they will not help me find it'

Maybe a coincidence as I am aware of frequency illusions etc, but I wondered if anyone knows of any wider potential liquidity or solvency issues that they might be having, (linked to having to move away from Community Federal Savings Bank at short notice maybe?) which means they are playing these games with delaying tactics?

I was just told that they need an extension for "reasons beyond their control" and will add 35 *working* days to the normal 14 calendar days response time for complaints.

nyargh · 2 years ago
Got burned by Wise doing an international transfer a few years back. Money was withdrawn but never reached the receiving bank. Wise wouldn't help at all, even after getting a statement from my sending bank that Wise had my money. Never again.

OFX is boring but has good spreads, always been able to reach a human and always worked for me for international transfers.

kodapoda · 2 years ago
Interesting, I use Wise fairly often, didn't realize they have such nonexistent support. Will look into other options, my transfers are critical.
nyargh · 2 years ago
Which transfers aren't important though? I don't imagine anyone expects less than 100% performance when it comes to sending their own money.

I was shocked at how they handled my case, but have seen many more horror stories since.

Canada · 2 years ago
This is how we can all expect to be treated in a cashless society.
gu009 · 2 years ago
Longtime Wise user here, and recently I've been having an issue too, but one I haven't seen posted here as yet.

My account has been flagged several times for "speculative currency trading", even though that's not what I'm doing, and my usage patterns haven't really changed much since I started using the platform.

If you set up a transfer and don't fund it immediately, or you cancel it and set up another transfer within a narrow time window where the exchange rate has changed to your benefit, the system thinks you're speculating. This never happened to prior to the last 12 months or so, and recently it seems they're flagging transfers this way much more often. Seems like it's probably due to overall volatility in certain currencies being higher over the last year or so.

The "penalty" they apply is just that you can't "lock" an exchange rate for international transfers anymore. Usually, your exchange rate is locked at the market rate at the time the transfer is initiated, and then you have a time limit to fund the transfer at the rate you locked.

But now, when you initiate a transfer they add a 3% "buffer" on top of the funds required to fund the transfer, and they apply the market rate at the time they receive the funds, and then refund you whatever the difference is.

rundmc · 2 years ago
I've been with them since the beginning and have had my suggestions included in the UI (e.g. account nicknames) but as far as I can tell they're in some sort of freefall.

Something has gone badly wrong in there and the only answer is to close the accounts and move away asap. That's what I'm almost finished doing for my 4 companies and shortly my personal account.

rundmc · 2 years ago
FYI, after looking at about 20 banks we opted to go with Amnis in CH which uses Currency Cloud as its backbone.

Their UI is excellent and I've just noted that they have a double-sided reward for new clients such that if you register with amnis using a referral code (e.g. mine: 08e57b) and make your first transaction, they will pay you CHF 200.

You can sign up directly here https://app.amnistreasury.com/create-an-account.

throwaway2037 · 2 years ago

    I randomly mentioned Wise problems to a friend and she immediately said "Oh wow I closed my account in the US and used them to transfer all the funds to Europe. They just 'lost' the transfer as it's now gone from my US account and is not credited to my Europe account and they will not help me find it'
They should report this to their local state attorney, or the state attorney where Wise is registered in the United States. Also, if the amount is small enough, she can sue them in small claims court.

refurb · 2 years ago
Go onto a Facebook and search "Wise". You'll find a handful of group where people are selling/buying validated Wise accounts. They have really big issues with money laundering and fraud.

My guess is they either got a stern warning from regulators or are being proactive at try to eliminate the fraud. And not in a "this is our 2024 goal" but a "we better do this now or risk getting shut down". So massive changes to account validation are happening and customer service isn't prepared.

gorbypark · 2 years ago
This makes me pretty nervous. I am having a go at being a "digital nomad" and use Wise as my primary "bank". I only have one customer, paying EU into a EU IBAN and then I am just using Apple Pay to pay for my daily needs. I have about 10k EUR in the account...I want to move it, but I also don't want to pay the conversion fees into my home currency, and then back again (I am mainly based in Europe and spending Euros).
throwaway2037 · 2 years ago
If you are based in Europe, then open a regular retail bank account denominated in EUR and transfer your money. It seems simple enough. Then, you can stop doing business with Wise. If you are not doing "digital nomad" legally, then I have little sympathy for your situation.
gorbypark · 2 years ago
Everything is more or less completely legal since the Wise account is "domiciled" in Canada and I will be paying taxes on the income in Canada. I just don't want to convert the Euros into CAD, send them back to my real bank in Canada and then have to pay the 2.5% conversion fee to spend in Euros (or any other currency in places I might end up in). I don't have a permanent visa here yet so I don't believe I can easily just open a bank account.
jddj · 2 years ago
> It seems simple enough

That depends where in Europe

n_ary · 2 years ago
Something indeed is mysterious. Previously, I could generate a virtual CreditCard on the fly for random* online purchases but today while checking for some things, I can suddenly no longer generate any new ones anymore.

Also, here in EU they were happily paying interest on current balance due to recent interest rate hike, but suddenly a while back this interest generation has to be claimed by moving money from current to "Jar" thing and accept some terms, which is a bit dramatic IMO.

moffkalast · 2 years ago
Hmm, just tried it and I was able to generate a new digital card without any issues. Could be that you've hit some kind of max cards limit?