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k_bx · 3 years ago
I was recently shopping for an UPS + couple 100Ah Batteries solution and failed to find an easy way to buy something not manufactured in China. Northvolt seems to not be present in retail at all. Are there any good places I should've checked out?
jillesvangurp · 3 years ago
Most suppliers in this industry do b2b sales. Northvolt would be producing battery cells for use in automotive in large volumes. Volvo is one of their customers. I don't think they do retail sales in small quantities.

In general, it seems more common in China for companies to do business with each other via e.g. Alibaba. You can actually order non trivial amounts of raw materials via Alibaba. For example if you search for 1080 steel, you can actually order tons of steel from various suppliers.

defrost · 3 years ago
Large scale systems and cells to spec for other companies products | applications ...

https://northvolt.com/products/

scroll down to footer PRODUCTS heading for more vague marketing splurge.

latchkey · 3 years ago
Maybe not a full answer to your question, but reviews from Will Prowse are great. Check his youtube/website.
k_bx · 3 years ago
That's an interesting channel, thanks in any case!
SkyPuncher · 3 years ago
As far as I can tell, essentially the entire "portable" battery (like car batteries in the 100Ah range) is essentially a sturdy plastic container around generic manufactured battery cells.

There are only a few companies that actually manufacture their cells in the USA.

bombcar · 3 years ago
Look for TAA compliant. https://www.eaton.com/us/en-us/products/backup-power-ups-sur...

But they are often assembled in USA from foreign components, so you have to dig further into what cells they’re using.

mitthrowaway2 · 3 years ago
China won almost total dominance of LFP batteries, apparently because Hydro-Quebec enforced steep patent royalties everywhere else. It's no coincidence that manufacturers are starting to look elsewhere now that the patents are expiring.
adamsmith143 · 3 years ago
Generally have been satisfied with Anker, though that stuff is made in China the chargers and batteries have been good. Monoprice used to be good but I haven't used anything from them in a while
DanielHB · 3 years ago
I work at Northvolt and we don't do any sale of cells to retail at the moment

The only retail product we offer at the moment is:

https://northvolt.com/products/systems/voltpacks/mobile/

and I am not even sure you can just outright buy it or only lease it

You can't just ship by mail such big cells due to fire hazards so I don't expect you will be able to just buy one

turtlebits · 3 years ago
Battleborn batteries are manufactured in the USA (unsure about the raw cells though) and have great service/warranty, but are expensive.
carlbarrdahl · 3 years ago
Another Swedish company that does battery tech: https://mattr.se/official-projects/
moogly · 3 years ago
And https://polarium.com/

But not really consumer products either.

dainiusse · 3 years ago
I wonder if it is a china owned factory or not
mirzak · 3 years ago
It is not

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Alifatisk · 3 years ago
> Sweden’s Northvolt, has raised $1.2bn from North America-based investors including BlackRock.

Feels like BlackRock have touched almost everything

SilverBirch · 3 years ago
Well sure, because they're an investment company. They manage people's money. A lot of people seem to talk about BlackRock as if they're investing their own money, which would be similar to pretending your bank owns all the money that you put in it. They have $10Tn under management, but they have a market cap of $100bn. So the vast majority of what they're doing is just brokering deals for their investors. The fact that Blackrock did this deal doesn't tell you anything about who is exposed to the upside or downside.
swedishturnip · 3 years ago
Agree on all points except the comparison with banks. The banks do technically own the money you put in it - and what you get in return is an IOU. So a bank is a very different sort of thing.
johndhi · 3 years ago
<The fact that Blackrock did this deal doesn't tell you anything about who is exposed to the upside or downside

Can you explain this part more? Does blackrock not invest its own money in deals? And are specific deals specific to blackrock customers or do they just take a percent of their overall holdings and invest them in individual deals?

peyton · 3 years ago
$10 tn AUM is way too much. I don’t see what the price of their stock has to do with anything.
boeingUH60 · 3 years ago
When you manage over $9 trillion [1], you will touch everything.

1- https://www.pionline.com/money-management/blackrocks-aum-cli...

RandomLensman · 3 years ago
If you have them invest your money, isn't that part of what you would expect (economic rationale provided)?
celtoid · 3 years ago
Blackrock even manages a large part of Jerome Powell's, the chair of the Federal Reserve, money. It appears to be a conflict of interest but maybe I don't understand the intricacies of the monetary system.

"The Fed Is Subsidizing the Money Market Funds Operated by Larry Fink’s BlackRock as BlackRock Manages a Big Part of Jerome Powell’s Wealth" [0]

[0] https://wallstreetonparade.com/2021/10/the-fed-is-subsidizin...

gruez · 3 years ago
>It appears to be a conflict of interest [...]

The fed choosing an asset management firm is similar to choosing a vendor. That in itself isn't a "conflict of interest". That only arises if there's reason to believe that the Fed or its officials are making decisions that benefit themselves personally at the expense of the fed. For instance, if they hold outsized positions in blackrock and chose them despite not being the best choice (eg. vanguard is is cheaper).

boeingUH60 · 3 years ago
Virtually every rich person in America might have some funds with BlackRock, whether directly or indirectly.

The site you linked is doing a favorite exercise of conspiracy therorists; A is related to B which is related to C which is related to D. Therefore, A and D have conspired, despite in reality not having anything to do with each other.

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defrost · 3 years ago
What they haven't Blackstone has - they're related private equity groups, aka late capitalist cancer ala Gordon Ecko's

'I produce nothing, I do nothing, I own'.

FredPret · 3 years ago
Owning a stock is a verb. Allocating capital takes a lot of work, and a lot of courage. Gordon Gecko is a fictional character.

Having said that, Blackstone/rock has grown far too much. People need to stop sending their money to their index funds.

alphanullmeric · 3 years ago
Don’t be too concerned about what others do with their own money.
koolba · 3 years ago
What’s the rate on the note? US treasuries are paying 5+%. Unless there’s some bonus exercise rights for the conversion, this must add some significant credit risk premium.
slashdev · 3 years ago
There’s conversion rights to covert into equity, that’s why it’s called a convertible note. Otherwise it’s just called a bond.
runeks · 3 years ago
What's the advantage of selling a convertible note to an investor compared to just selling them equity directly?

Is the idea that if you're profitable before the note expires then you have the ability to buy the note back without losing equity?

BoxFour · 3 years ago
Are they comparable? The primary objective of a convertible note lies in securing a favorable share conversion, rather than primarily focusing on the interest rate (which can often approach 0%, leading to the emergence of SAFEs).

If the obligation involves repaying the note in cash along with interest, instead of settling it via shares plus a supplemental amount stemming from the interest, typically something has gone awry.

jonasdegendt · 3 years ago
Good question but arguably they don't have to match 5%, they might put these notes in things like a low climate impact fund where conscious investors accept lower returns for the sake of the climate/environment.

I'm just thinking out loud though, I'm just an armchair investor, for all I know these notes are paying 10%, although I doubt it.

etrautmann · 3 years ago
The photo in this article appears to be empty shelving "inside the Northvolt facility?"
DanielHB · 3 years ago
Most of the lines in the main factory (Northvolt Ett) are still under construction
mjfl · 3 years ago
I noticed they don’t mention Tesla but they lift the term gigafactory
alex_duf · 3 years ago
I think it's coined by Tesla, but not a trademark. (don't quote me on this)
JackFr · 3 years ago
But what does it mean?

Are there kilofactories and megafactories? The rarely seen obscure myriafactories?

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mirzak · 3 years ago
Founders of Northvolt are ex-tesla folks, which might explain why some terms have been transferred.

Not sure about trademarks though.

yreg · 3 years ago
Blackrock also owns 5-6% of Tesla.
BYazfVCcq · 3 years ago
Blackrock doesn't 'own' Tesla, or any company really. They hold and manage stocks for their customers. If you own an iShares ETF or mutual fund, you own the companies, not Blackrock.
dna_polymerase · 3 years ago
People parrot this, but do they? Or is it just the case that they are one of the largest ETF issuers in the world, and it is through those vehicles that they are “invested”?
baybal2 · 3 years ago
The Communist Party of China also owns 5-6% of Blackrock.