That's not entirely surprising. The whole point of grafting is to clone the plant you're taking scion wood from. Are there any examples where choice of rootstock can affect things like flavor? I've heard of rootstock affecting things like vigor, disease resistance, and cold hardiness, but never anything like taste or psychoactivity.
That doesn't sound reliable. Tomatoes all have some naturally occurring nicotine, I would be surprised one grafted to a tobacco plant somehow has...none?
> I am going to try to schedule the testing done this Friday, October 24th.
So WHY didn't you open up your editor on the 25th and let us the World know about the results (or lack thereof)???
I hate so much the utter lack of discipline and follow-up of the average internet person :-( (of course in a tongue in cheek way)
This happens so many times... who hasn't found an interesting forum topic, sometimes describing exactly the same problem we're having, with a promising resolution, but which never actually arrived?
I think the general assumption when the reply lacks specificity is that it’s something embarrassingly routine like “I checked to make sure that the device was plugged in” or some variant thereof.
It’s not a 100% safe assumption, but I think this is the answer more often than not.
Where I have encountered this, the path to a solution requires discovering that the problem is a generic error message that has an unbelievable number of different possible causes. And in the process of solving that, the specific problem was incredibly specific.
For example Django is very good at giving a small number of (useless) error messages for a wide variety of things that can keep it from starting up properly.
I really felt like shaking this person like the xkcd comic guy shakes the screen...
It's one thing to talk about something and just casually never following up. That's bad enough already.
But giving a precise date, and promising a follow-up, then never doing it... that's purely evil! Only valid excuse is a life-altering accident or something serious like that. Otherwise I'll hate you and will want to call you things
Some are and some aren't. The key question is whether the fruits grown on grafted branches have the toxins. There's no definitive study. This rootstock appears to be S. torvum. The gardener who's doing it has been doing it for years apparently with no ill health effects. Might be worth someone studying both his produce and his health to find out.
You can do it yourself and it’s fascinating. I have a black doris plum which seems to refuse all grafts, but my apple tree probably has 10ish varieties growing off it.
Most are only able support one apple, but the older grafts should be able to take several this coming season.
I am no expert but all you need is some grafting secateurs, some grafting tape and some twigs from a related tree (same genus). For example, apple or pear will go on the same tree, citrus won’t.
You make sure the grafted twig is about the same size the twig it’s attaching to, bind it up with tape and leave it. The bark grows across cut and strengthens with time.
There are loads of YouTube and website guides, here is one.
Fun fact: all over the world vineyards use an American variant of grapes for their rootstock and graft their preferred European/Peruvian/etc grapes on top. This makes them more disease resistant and in some cases means the cultivar of European grapes can survive at all after disease had almost wiped them out.
All your citrus and apples from the store are like this, and why they don't grow true to seed. The seeds are open pollinated by whatever is around but the fruit was from a single plant hand selected dozens or more years ago and produces that exact fruit over and over again. It would take hundreds of years to 'stabilize' those traits in the seeds and in that time, you'd probably find another great variety and keep that around to graft to other plants.
The use of grafting for grapevines has become necessary only after the insect phylloxera has been brought accidentally from USA to Britain and France at the beginning of the second half of the 19th century and then it has devastated most European vineyards.
The American vines are resistant to phylloxera.
Previously, grapevine was one of the few sources of sweet fruits which did not require grafting, because it propagates naturally through clones.
I read a, possibly mythical, story about a group that surreptitiously grafted various fruit branches onto the shade trees lining some streets in a major city. Several years later the mess on the sidewalk caused the city to cut them off.
Yes, grafting, i.e. this method of plant propagation, is useful either for plants for which simpler cloning methods do not work or for providing various useful properties, like resistance to certain plant diseases.
Grafting has probably been invented somewhere closer to Central Asia around four to five thousand years ago and then it has spread through Western Asia and through Europe, about at the same time with the spread of the domesticated horses and with the spread of the Indo-European languages.
Before the invention of grafting, there were only a little more than a handful of cultivated species of fruit trees, i.e. mostly those which produce clones naturally (e.g. grape vines, olive trees, fig trees, date palms and a few others). By using grafting, a large number of additional fruit trees could be cultivated, starting with apples and pears.
The reason why grafting is necessary is that in most cases the trees grown from the seeds produced by a tree with big and sweet fruits may have small and sour fruits. To preserve the properties of the original tree, it must be cloned. By using grafting on an appropriate rootstock any tree can be cloned.
> The reason why grafting is necessary is that in most cases the trees grown from the seeds produced by a tree with big and sweet fruits may have small and sour fruits.
This. Any apples grown for consumption are from grafts. Apple trees grown from seed are wild or experimental to try to find a new graft, or to be the graft base. I was amazed when I heard that planting a Honeycrisp seed would not get you more Honeycrisps in your yard. Cloning only!
Plant immune systems are not like those of animals. You can often just slap parts together and they will meld. This likely evolved from plants literally growing on top of each other, such as a small plant growing on top of a log. Neither plant would do well if an immune reaction was initiated every time two root systems met.
My grandparents had an apple tree that had ~6 different varieties of apples growing off of it from all the grafts that they'd done to it, was neat to see as a kid.
It doesn't work in all cases but potatoes and tomatoes are closely related (potato fruits exist and are very poisonous, they look like cherry tomatoes).
Orchards typically graft branches of the desired apple variety onto rootstock of an apple tree that has the size characteristics they want - typically, smaller trees as they can fit more per hectare and i's easier to pick if the branches don't grow as tall.
The potato, the tomato and the aubergine (eggplant) are all genus Solanum. They are close relatives.
The genus is related to the European nightshade family, colloquially known as "deadly nightshade" with good reason. When tomatos were first brought to Europe from the Americas, they were used purely decoratively as everyone believe they would be toxic as they were clearly similar to the highly poisonous nightshades.
One of the only uses of nightshade was for an extract to paralyse the muscles of the iris, leading to very dilated pupils and big dark eyes, considered a sign of beauty in women. Thus the Latin name: "belladonna" -- literally, "bella" (beautiful) "donna" (lady).
Every single fruit you eat that has a name (e.g. "Fuji" apple or "Hass" avocado) has been grafted, and is a clone of the original plant, grafted on a rootstock that may have other ideal properties.
Slightly off-topic trivia: there is a reference to Tomaccos in the story-mode of the game CoreBreach (https://www.corecode.io/corebreach/). [Probably cannot be obtained anymore for quite a few years now - certainly won't run with modern OSs]. Further references are made to Blade Runner, Soylent Green, Terry Pratchett, etc, etc
There were also a number of hidden Simpson and Family Guy related easter-eggs, none of which were ever discovered.
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Wikisimpsons has a bit more info sourced from DVD commentary revealing that the tomacco had no nicotine in it: https://simpsonswiki.com/wiki/Tomacco#Behind_the_Laughter
Wikidoc has even more detail but no sources: https://wikidoc.org/index.php/Tomacco
So WHY didn't you open up your editor on the 25th and let us the World know about the results (or lack thereof)???
I hate so much the utter lack of discipline and follow-up of the average internet person :-( (of course in a tongue in cheek way)
This happens so many times... who hasn't found an interesting forum topic, sometimes describing exactly the same problem we're having, with a promising resolution, but which never actually arrived?
User: I have a problem I haven't been able to google. Whenever this very specific situation occurs, I am having this problem. Any advice?
Other Users: (Lots of ideas, no solution.)
User: Nevermind, I figured it out, thanks!
...WHAT DID YOU DO TO FIX IT?
I think the general assumption when the reply lacks specificity is that it’s something embarrassingly routine like “I checked to make sure that the device was plugged in” or some variant thereof.
It’s not a 100% safe assumption, but I think this is the answer more often than not.
For example Django is very good at giving a small number of (useless) error messages for a wide variety of things that can keep it from starting up properly.
The lies we tell ourselves…
Exactly!
I've been trying to perfect my tomacco grafts for 20 years at this point and was unable to find any information.
The nerve of the author!
It's one thing to talk about something and just casually never following up. That's bad enough already.
But giving a precise date, and promising a follow-up, then never doing it... that's purely evil! Only valid excuse is a life-altering accident or something serious like that. Otherwise I'll hate you and will want to call you things
...shouting at my screen in my room's solitude.
me: how do i do X?
them: just click on "find" and then...
me: but where is "find"??? i have quite heavily modified desktop.
if these people posted a screenshot instead of describing the gui interaction in text, i could almost certainly work it out.
them: Why would you want to do that?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMTQeiLxABg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUO1vTrMRbc
You get the benefits of the tree's deep roots and ease of harvest. Even if you don't know Italian the videos are amazing.
I am no expert but all you need is some grafting secateurs, some grafting tape and some twigs from a related tree (same genus). For example, apple or pear will go on the same tree, citrus won’t.
You make sure the grafted twig is about the same size the twig it’s attaching to, bind it up with tape and leave it. The bark grows across cut and strengthens with time.
There are loads of YouTube and website guides, here is one.
https://minnetonkaorchards.com/how-to-graft-an-apple-tree/#:....
"A horticulturist has managed to nurture a single apple tree which bears 250 different varieties of the fruit."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/science-environment-24348394
All your citrus and apples from the store are like this, and why they don't grow true to seed. The seeds are open pollinated by whatever is around but the fruit was from a single plant hand selected dozens or more years ago and produces that exact fruit over and over again. It would take hundreds of years to 'stabilize' those traits in the seeds and in that time, you'd probably find another great variety and keep that around to graft to other plants.
The American vines are resistant to phylloxera.
Previously, grapevine was one of the few sources of sweet fruits which did not require grafting, because it propagates naturally through clones.
Grafting has probably been invented somewhere closer to Central Asia around four to five thousand years ago and then it has spread through Western Asia and through Europe, about at the same time with the spread of the domesticated horses and with the spread of the Indo-European languages.
Before the invention of grafting, there were only a little more than a handful of cultivated species of fruit trees, i.e. mostly those which produce clones naturally (e.g. grape vines, olive trees, fig trees, date palms and a few others). By using grafting, a large number of additional fruit trees could be cultivated, starting with apples and pears.
The reason why grafting is necessary is that in most cases the trees grown from the seeds produced by a tree with big and sweet fruits may have small and sour fruits. To preserve the properties of the original tree, it must be cloned. By using grafting on an appropriate rootstock any tree can be cloned.
This. Any apples grown for consumption are from grafts. Apple trees grown from seed are wild or experimental to try to find a new graft, or to be the graft base. I was amazed when I heard that planting a Honeycrisp seed would not get you more Honeycrisps in your yard. Cloning only!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2437247/amp/250-var...
Orchards typically graft branches of the desired apple variety onto rootstock of an apple tree that has the size characteristics they want - typically, smaller trees as they can fit more per hectare and i's easier to pick if the branches don't grow as tall.
The genus is related to the European nightshade family, colloquially known as "deadly nightshade" with good reason. When tomatos were first brought to Europe from the Americas, they were used purely decoratively as everyone believe they would be toxic as they were clearly similar to the highly poisonous nightshades.
One of the only uses of nightshade was for an extract to paralyse the muscles of the iris, leading to very dilated pupils and big dark eyes, considered a sign of beauty in women. Thus the Latin name: "belladonna" -- literally, "bella" (beautiful) "donna" (lady).
https://en.toraland.org.il/beit-midrash/halachic-guides/mitz...
For complicated reasons, this is only strictly checked for grapes and for etrogim AFAIK.
> But if you follow the laws of the Torah, you may run into some issues
I can can only imagine how difficult it must get if fruit trees get rules like these.
It does not survive unless both plants are closely related
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Slightly off-topic trivia: there is a reference to Tomaccos in the story-mode of the game CoreBreach (https://www.corecode.io/corebreach/). [Probably cannot be obtained anymore for quite a few years now - certainly won't run with modern OSs]. Further references are made to Blade Runner, Soylent Green, Terry Pratchett, etc, etc
There were also a number of hidden Simpson and Family Guy related easter-eggs, none of which were ever discovered.