The climate zones in Europe are being shifted northwards. Mediterranean/southern countries like Greece, Spain, Portugal and Italy are experiencing conditions like the ones from Northern Africa. Central European countries are having a milder climate, with more extreme “bursts”.
Records are going to be broken over and over, especially next summer when the currently ongoing El Niño is going to “hit” us.
Our planet is not happy with what we’ve done all these decades and we’re going to pay for it :-(
> However, with new research based on measured temperature data from over 4000 weather stations throughout North America over the last 25 years, the IECC designated changes to the CZ map for the first time in nearly 20 years. The outcome was that about 10% of counties in the U.S. were placed in a new CZ. In nearly all cases, the shift was to a warmer (lower) CZ, reflecting a general warming of the climate in those areas. The first set of maps below show the old CZs on the left and the new ones on the right. The shaded area across the west in the image on the right highlights the "dry" sub-climates. In most cases, the shift in CZ is relatively subtle.
You are correct, but in practice the planet doesn’t care and will survive in any case. What we should have been saying, instead, is that we are going to be unhappy.
The narrative about protecting the environment/the planet should have always been about protecting ourselves from the planet, because we have learned to do that already. A more egocentric message could have worked better for the general public.
This year we've placed aircons in our entire home (Netherlands). With a garden to the south-west, and rising temperature, and good insulation, it becomes quickly too hot here. And we can of course heat our home in the winter too, but we mainly did it for the cooling capabilities.
Not trying to be pedantic here, but Spain has like 5 different köppen climate categories.
Up in Galicia and Asturias it can be high tens/low twenties with rain during the day while it can be 44C down in Sevilla.
Which partially explains why China and Russia are full steam ahead with the current pace of climate change. Huge swaths of their land is going to become arable.
I'm nagging my cities Facebook page , or have been nagging them for over a decade and they just aren't doing anything. Instead the destroy more green, build more fully concrete areas without trees.
I can only stand by and watch how everything goes to shit, powerless to do anything, because the local governments just are corrupt and do what they want.
Then, look at this place in Croatia. How is that acceptable in this day and age? A little green. It should be trees everywhere. But at least they use solar panels.
I blame the super rich, the oil industry and car industry. They are murderers.
> Then, look at this place in Croatia. How is that acceptable in this day and age? A little green. It should be trees everywhere. But at least they use solar panels.
Which place in Croatia is that? Is this related to the article or the one that you live in?
Croatia is pretty green outside of the cities, but inside it is like every other city: lots of stone and little green. If they were to make it much more greener to a degree that you'd start to notice it that would mean massive investment in urban restructuring and I highly doubt any Croatian city of substantial size has the funds for that.
Just came back from Bulgaria to visit friends and family and I kid you not when that I was very happy to be back in <20C rainy UK weather. I probably will still be miserable when it inevitably gets >30C here but at least it will be for a shorter period than half the summer in BG. And people find it funny when I tell them one of the reasons I moved to the UK was the weather...
There is a simultaneous historic heat wave happening in southern and western US. Death Valley could hit the hottest-ever recorded temperature on Earth of 131°F/55°C
A common theory is that increased temperatures end up causing an ice age. Bill Bryson discusses that in one of his books and I can’t remember the exact reasoning, maybe it’s something like
Increased heat -> more moisture -> more clouds -> less heat -> ice age
I’m not sure. But it was fairly convincing and has apparently happened on Earth before before humanity according to the records.
I might be cynical, but the heat and climate problem isn’t that important since after corona working is only allowed from the office by my superiors. If it would be a real problem imho, the home office would be the solution on government level. My yearly mileage would drop from 15000 miles to 1000 miles.
Agreed, it's ridiculous how the work-from-home advantage that we had for a short while has been wiped out. Traffic is as bad or worse than it was pre-COVID.
In direct sunlight for most of the day. Yeah, I can manage, I have 3 ACs and all blindfolds pulled down. It was rather nice inside, but going outside even for 10 minutes was a dizzying experience.
That can't be properly in the shade. Either that or you're in a very bad heat island. It's not supposed to have been that warm anywhere in EE the last few days.
Nope, not in the shade. But the truth "on the ground" in some places is different than what they say in the prognosis, which is why I have my own temperature sensors. I cross referenced with friends from other parts of the city which I guess is a pretty bad heat island with all the concrete.
The salty wind from the sea make it much more tolerable imo. I’m in Hungary and the Carpathian Basin must be the worst. It’s like a big bowl, no wind, heat just stuck here, and not enough water surface.
Sadly no, or at least not when the thermal sensation goes above 45C. I can relate the effect of the southerly wind in Spain like being in a hot hairdrier.
Believe me you guys have it pretty good over there, with abundant water and plenty of good soil.
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Records are going to be broken over and over, especially next summer when the currently ongoing El Niño is going to “hit” us. Our planet is not happy with what we’ve done all these decades and we’re going to pay for it :-(
In North American as well, at least per the hardiness zones that gardeners use:
* https://gardeningcalendar.ca/gardening/gardening-basics/hard...
* https://landscapetrades.com/canadas-new-plant-hardiness-zone...
Similarly zones used in building codes:
> However, with new research based on measured temperature data from over 4000 weather stations throughout North America over the last 25 years, the IECC designated changes to the CZ map for the first time in nearly 20 years. The outcome was that about 10% of counties in the U.S. were placed in a new CZ. In nearly all cases, the shift was to a warmer (lower) CZ, reflecting a general warming of the climate in those areas. The first set of maps below show the old CZs on the left and the new ones on the right. The shaded area across the west in the image on the right highlights the "dry" sub-climates. In most cases, the shift in CZ is relatively subtle.
* https://www.jm.com/en/blog/2021/march/understanding-the-iecc...
The narrative about protecting the environment/the planet should have always been about protecting ourselves from the planet, because we have learned to do that already. A more egocentric message could have worked better for the general public.
[edited to hopefully sound less snarky]
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
I can only stand by and watch how everything goes to shit, powerless to do anything, because the local governments just are corrupt and do what they want.
Then, look at this place in Croatia. How is that acceptable in this day and age? A little green. It should be trees everywhere. But at least they use solar panels.
I blame the super rich, the oil industry and car industry. They are murderers.
Which place in Croatia is that? Is this related to the article or the one that you live in?
Croatia is pretty green outside of the cities, but inside it is like every other city: lots of stone and little green. If they were to make it much more greener to a degree that you'd start to notice it that would mean massive investment in urban restructuring and I highly doubt any Croatian city of substantial size has the funds for that.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2023/07/14/heat-wave-...
Increased heat -> more moisture -> more clouds -> less heat -> ice age
I’m not sure. But it was fairly convincing and has apparently happened on Earth before before humanity according to the records.