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metaphor · 3 years ago
> When BICS acquired TeleSign in 2017, it began to fall under the partial control of BICS' parent company, Belgian telecom giant Proximus. Proximus held a partial stake in BICS, which Proximus spun off from its own operations in 1997.

> In 2021, Proximus bought out BICS' other shareholders, making it the sole owner of both the telecom interchange and TeleSign.

Curious how the article's headline goes out of its way to emphasize "US vendor" when the puppet masters in the underlying corporate structure are entirely Belgian.

aerio · 3 years ago
Is Volvo a Swedish company or Chinese?
DigiDigiorno · 3 years ago
Volvo Group? Not Chinese

Volvo Cars? Maybe Chinese, Chinese company owns a majority, but it is still publicly traded company with other shareholders

McDyver · 3 years ago
Link to noyb's site, with a template to request whether your number is processed by TeleSign:

https://noyb.eu/en/telesign-profiles-half-worlds-phone-users

popcalc · 3 years ago
What goes in the client number field?
the_mitsuhiko · 3 years ago
I assume it’s the customer account number on the invoice with your phone provider since you need to attach it.
dmix · 3 years ago
There's a ton of these anti-fraud data collection companies. That industry (plus marketing/credit card data) is probably the lowest hanging fruit to find privacy violations, much more so than the usual GDPR targets you often hear about.

Maybe they can do the location tracking ones too that western police regularly buy.

johnea · 3 years ago
Ah yes, "reputation scoring", where have I heard of that before?
amindeed · 3 years ago
China, I guess.
LightBug1 · 3 years ago
-10 for mentioning China and/or reputation-scoring in a relatively negative fashion.

Your credit score has decreased accordingly.

Have a lovey day, citizen, and do better tomorrow!

Ekaros · 3 years ago
Credit score?

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say_it_as_it_is · 3 years ago
Does advertising exist anywhere in Europe? What a utopia!
moffkalast · 3 years ago
Well they are gradually banning billboards entirely in Poland: https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/l0p31m/in_poland_we...
littlestymaar · 3 years ago
A city-wide billboard ban also happened in Grenoble (France) since 2014.
WheatMillington · 3 years ago
Americans: haha look at those dystopian Chinese and their social credit score.

Also Americans: credit score, reputation score, every other ranking imaginable performed by non accountable corporations.

Manuel_D · 3 years ago
Credit score has a regulated scoring system. It's all based on your debts, and repayment of said debts. You're not going to lose credit score based on your vote.
whimsicalism · 3 years ago
It’s true that lending is heavily regulated in the US. However I know for a fact that there are startups here that are designing credit scores for foreign markets in developing countries that include all sorts of factors that we would consider bad in the US.
pton_xd · 3 years ago
Loan companies could model a population's exact historical credit risk by combining extensively detailed loan data, right? But they can't use that calculated credit risk to issue loans because it probably contains off-limits attributes like gender, race, religion, etc.

What about developing their "clean" model by minimizing errors between it and the actual model? The clean model wouldn't contain any regulated inputs but will be as close as you can get to the real thing.

What's the difference, effectively?

Mystery-Machine · 3 years ago
Social score is also not shot put someone's ass. It's calculated based on your criminal record and some other factors. Seems like, as per Wikipedia, it's mostly focused on company social credit scores.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System

Tangurena2 · 3 years ago
Only credit scores are regulated. Other rating companies that keep track of who got arrested, or who got evicted have no such regulations. And the ratings agencies that expand upon the credit reporting, like The Work Number, are outside of the laws/regs governing credit scores.
hnfong · 3 years ago
> You're not going to lose credit score based on your vote.

Pretty sure Chinese citizens don't worry about this either.

waboremo · 3 years ago
Right, what we trade in regulating the score, we lose in data privacy since all credit scoring systems have no problem fucking around with your data giving it to whoever asks even though there is a tremendous amount of information attached.
SilasX · 3 years ago
No, it's based on a lot more than that, like how long you've been in the system, and average age of account. This is why you can be radioactive despite never having missed a payment on anything -- because you never carried debt.
liamtuohyff · 3 years ago
No, but your company's esg score will
jancsika · 3 years ago
Also Americans: relentlessly, publicly proclaim in large numbers that the president is a fake and a pedophile, all while rightly being extended credit, voting, renewing drivers licenses, traveling internationally, and making (apparently lifelong) friends at relevant conspiracy-theory conventions

Is there evidence that anything remotely analogous to that level of freely expressing disapproval of national leadership can happen in China?

If not then the word "dystopian" properly belongs where you put it, and Americans should work tirelessly to avoid becoming that.

Edit: clarification

samvega_ · 3 years ago
The political orientations you describe don't threaten or oppose the political system, it's part of it and leveraged by the ruling capitalist class as its defenders. A better question to ask is, how does publicly voicing and acting with _real_ opposition get treated in the US? That's way more dystopion. See COINTELPRO for a historical example. Its modern equivalents which has only intensified the hunt for real, opposition does have extremely dystopian tendencies, through cencorship and political persecution.

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eyphka · 3 years ago
I’m not sure why it says US when the company owning is Belgian I believe.
manmal · 3 years ago
TeleSign is based in California.
izacus · 3 years ago
It's by now well documented that Americans will take any kind of authoritarian inhuman abuse as long as it's being done by a corporation of unelected people.

They'll even aggressively defend it as long as its to enrich a few stockholders.

CoastalCoder · 3 years ago
IIUC the parent comment, here's some similar logic:

(a) (some) right-handed people are on diets.

(b) (some) right-handed people are gaining weight.

(c) ergo, right-handed people suck at dieting.

stonogo · 3 years ago
Is the claim here that the Chinese government is accountable?
jgalt212 · 3 years ago
The person (no name, no home address, personal id #) who controls phone number 555-1234 has a fraud score of X. It's amazing to me that this is a GDPR violation. What a poorly designed rule.
poorlyknit · 3 years ago
For a regulatory body it is beyond trivial to assign a person to a phone number for a given time range.