Ah man, despite baking a lot, I've never tried to make the bread myself.

You're going to want a hoagie roll [1][2]. They are shaped like a baguette and have the same ingredients, but way softer, chewy-er and denser. It's a process with multiple rises, then it's baked in steam to keep it soft.

This [3] seems to get the details right, but I haven't tried it. Conshohocken is a suburb outside of Philly known for microbreweries and baking so it's legit if that's the source.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoagie_roll

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR8oA5ACqPg

[3] https://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/21448/real-italian-hoagie-...

I'm not from Philly, but my mom is, and every time I went back east I ate plenty of cheese steaks. To me, the essense of the bread is a chewyness, a toothiness. The crumb is substantial, the crust is minimal. If you bake bread in Vietnam than you must have a good understanding of a french-style baguette, right? That's a bread where the crust is shattering-crisp and the internal crumb is light and pillowy, yeah? The roll for a cheese steak is the opposite.

My grandmom's theory was that it was the water from the Schuylkill that made the rolls inimitable. I wish I had a recipe I could share with you, but instead I can only wish you luck.

The quintessential Philly cheesesteak bread is the Amarosso roll. There’s even a place in SF that imports them as well as tasty kakes for the PA “expats” in California.

https://www.amorosobaking.com/

I'm originally from Philly, and I've had a cheesesteak on banh mi roll a few times. It makes a very good approximation at least to me. The Philly rolls tend to be tougher and ready to handy the sheer amount of grease that pours off the sandwich. Stick to provolone and caramelized onions as the only default toppings. Ketchup and such should be added by the eater, and realistically only if it's a bad steak.

this guy (charlie anderson) is currently trying to replicate the philly roll (for a philly cheesesteak, his prior take was ny style pizza):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvgurFUheY8

Drop a link to your bakery, I'd like to come visit!

There is a restaurant that makes Indian spiced chicken cheese steaks in Philly that’s gotten very popular. Try this recipe with your choice of meat, it’s not a tikka version but it’s delicious!

https://thechutneylife.com/recipes/dinner/spicy-chicken-chee...

It's wild but true, the best steaks are out in the suburbs

You can have a large meal every once in a while without large negative health effects. Just limit your calories the rest of the day and don’t do it all the time.

Also, I wouldn’t say it has little nutritional value…it’s full of protein and carbs (which are nutrients).

When I worked in old city Philly, I'd get one (a pizza steak for me tyvm) probably twice a month - in between the halal cart, pizza, wraps & frites from European Republic, and a nicer lunch from nearby restaurants on Friday.

As often as you feel like.

An occasional cheesesteak won't kill you.

very dramatic.

Seconding, I visited the neighborhoods where this ought to be often and am curious.

A lot of them because they are making a virtue out of necessity (vegeterian food being cheaper). The cultural aspects on top are the dressing.

And the vegetarian / vegan food in India is fantastic!

Tangent: For some reason Taheri in Bangladesh refers to a meat and rice dish while in Pakistan it refers exclusively to a vegetable/potato and rice dish. I’ve never been able to figure out why. You would never hear about a “meat taheri” in Pakistan.

Mea culpa :)

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/per-capita-meat-type?coun... (updated, Pakistan 20kg/person/year, 5x less people than India)

I remember talking to my old boss, who was something of an "old money" type, about summer holiday plans, some time in the middle of last decade. My then-girlfriend and I were going by bus to Berlin, 600km or so, to hang out, see Archaeopteryx and eat cheap food. He was going skiing in Japan - half a world away - and staying in some futuristic hotel, going by helicopter every day to and from the "really good slopes".

I was a strict vegetarian at the time, but I wonder how many döners a helicopter ride is.

Dude, just go out and eat that steak sandwich if you want. Make your choice and be content with it. Do you have experience with actual, in-person interactions with people where they tried to make you feel guilty for eating one, or are you letting some random comment by some random person on the internet ruffle your feathers?

Yeesh.

I think you're misunderstanding the articles...

> https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2017/jul/10...

you're saying that the big polluters are Shell and Aramco, and then complaining that we're asking you to stop using ICE engines? Who do you think Shell are selling all this oil to?

> https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-56723560

"The wealthiest 5% alone – the so-called “polluter elite” - contributed 37% of emissions growth between 1990 and 2015."

Given the forum we are conversing in, I'm pretty certain we're all in the world's wealthiest 5%..

> Don't shit on the environment. Don't leave the lights and heating on for no reason, don't throw trash in nature, don't get a 7 liter engine for in town driving and so on. Those are the only kind of things an average guy can realistically do. And most of it he can't afford to do anyway. But when you come after my steak sandwich this is where I draw the line.

So basically, "don't make me do anything I don't want to do" ?

One of the funny things about growing up a vegetarian (in America or maybe more particularly where I'm from) is to be looked down on, seen as immature or as if you are denying the realities of the world, but the people who would say the least science backed to just fucked up shit to you are the people like this who have an absolute hissy fit about talking about the general consequences of a having a exceedingly high caloric intake, composed of a lot of animal products which create more stress on the only livable planet we have access to. The American diet is a joke and we should talk about it since it's an increasingly important topic whether you personally get worked up about it or not.

Anyway, feels good now that I'm older and there is more and more science backed evidence to show you can be healthy without animal based products and how much better it is for the environment, but I wish I could go back and tell that lonely 10 year old kid being mocked by other kids and adults that he made the right choice.

...and good on you "do-gooders" who have the strength to think beyond yourself and change your habits even if it isn't convenient to you. You make the world go round and better to be in

Who do you think is responsible for the amount of meat that people eat if not the people eating the meat?

> We can't even enjoy a steak sandwich any more without having guilt shoved down our throat even though we are responsible for minimal environmental impact.

You can enjoy it all you want if you take responsibility for its consequences. Right now the externalities of a lot of our actions are not taken into account for many things, and so the people who suffer the consequences are not the ones that are enjoying the benefits.

But this carbon fossil producers and this huge ships are producing/carrying stuff for the average person. So yeah, the average guy needs to change and the big corps need to change too.

How many steak sandwiches are you eating?!

I mean its in deuteronomy 22:11 explicitly. Orthodox jews are the ones who live by it, but you'd think anyone who believed in the bible would follow outright restrictions like that.

This in contrast to not mixing milk and meat, which is an expansion of "do not cook a kid in its mother's milk" from deuteronomy 14:21.

If you look at the two it would seem wearing linen and wool together is much worse than mixing milk and meat.

why is baffling, but thats religion.

For those curious about the fabric mixing, it's called Shatnez.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shatnez

Most "American Slices" do contain dairy, as it is a USDA requirement for the classification of "pasteurized process cheese product" that there is at least some cheese in the product.

I have made some exceptional vegan cheesesteaks with marinated seitan and pumpkin puree + nutritional yeast "cheese" sauce. The key is the bread - if you can head to a local bakery for a proper fresh hoagie roll, the rest will follow. I personally like grilled onions and Bavarian mustard on mine. Fantastic sandwich - just don't put lettuce and tomato on yours!

+inf. Now I can’t stop thinking of Zakir Tikka.

Which Hyderabad?