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cantaloupe · 3 years ago
The title of this post is misleading and should probably be changed.

The guidelines are not that oat milk can be called “milk”, but rather that it is ok to use the word “milk” preceded by “oat” to label oat beverage.

dang · 3 years ago
Yes. We've reverted the title now.

Submitters: "Please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

cactusplant7374 · 3 years ago
Why isn’t HN allowing me to submit links? I’m getting the your posting too fast nonsense. I am not.
guestbest · 3 years ago
If we had honest labeling there would be a lot less milk and broth/stock on the grocery. I’m also suspicious that nearly all cereals aren’t cereals but some kind of corn byproduct
mardifoufs · 3 years ago
What do you mean? Milk is so cheap (relatively speaking) that it makes little sense to me that it would be "substituted" with something else. But maybe I'm out of the loop here
eachro · 3 years ago
I'm curious what the true cost of dairy/soy/oat milk would be without gov subsidies.
bryanlarsen · 3 years ago
Milk is a generic term that has long referred to non-dairy milk. cf milkweed, other milky plant saps are also called milks.

Also milk of magnesia and similar substances.

realce · 3 years ago
https://www.fda.gov/media/165420/download

Is there any actual logic in this document that supports why producers of fortified almond juice can call their product Milk other than "some people call it milk already?"

foxyv · 3 years ago
If they were just labeling it "Milk" or mixing it into cow milk without letting anyone know, then I would be skeptical. But it's always labeled as just "Almond Milk." I don't think anyone will be confused there. We've always just called it that.

I can't think of any other logic necessary really. I mean, why do we call anything what we do? Other than, that's what everyone calls it. For instance, why can Milk producers call it just "Milk" and not "Cow Milk" as well? Because that's what everyone calls it!

jfengel · 3 years ago
Seeing as that's the same reason that people call mammary extract "milk", yes. Words are what people call things, neither more nor less.
bombcar · 3 years ago
People don't have an issue with peanut butter having "butter" in it even though it has no butter in it.
sbelskie · 3 years ago
Why would producers be unable to call a product by its commonly used named absent evidence of any real confusion or significant harm?
moeris · 3 years ago
Why wouldn't they be able to? A milk is just a consumable suspension. Look to milk of magnesia, milk of the poppy, etc. It has a long history of being used in a general sense.
Overtonwindow · 3 years ago
Not quite, title is misleading. This is not a regulation, nor a proposal for a regulation, it is only FDA guidance for labeling. Specifically a draft seeking comment.

Not for implementation. Contains non-binding recommendations.

This guidance is being distributed for comment purposes only.

Putting semantics and science aside, this is only a small fragment of the regulatory process and it could be a decade before anything is officially decided.

andrewdubinsky · 3 years ago
Next on the FDA agenda is to designate the following as Orange Juice:

* Orange Crush

* Orange Fanta

* Sunkist Orange Soda

Seems only right given how great they're doing with the American diet and obesity.

pixl97 · 3 years ago
I mean drinking juice isn't going to have a significant calorie difference from soda. Juice or soda should never be a replacement for water.
bombcar · 3 years ago
People do NOT realize the caloric content of various juices, they can EASILY beat soda for calories per ounce.

But I guess it's "good" calories or something.

JoeAltmaier · 3 years ago
Milk from grains has been around since the 1200's. It's not a new thing.
interestica · 3 years ago
These are 'draft guidelines'.

Isn't it a more reasonable outcome to start labelling "milk" as "cow's milk"?

cwmoore · 3 years ago
Let me look that up on my rotary phone.
pleb_nz · 3 years ago
According to Wikipedia milk is https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk

Unless there is another definition somewhere it would seem to me it should have it's own label sh it's clear to people a is different from b.

chickenpotpie · 3 years ago
The same is true for butter, yet nobody has any qualms about "peanut butter" not being made of dairy products. The term "oat milk" is clear. It is made of oats and resembles milk.
pleb_nz · 3 years ago
Absolutely, as long as they say oat milk then that's fine. I don't think they should be allowed to just say milk.
deafpolygon · 3 years ago
Oh, you can't call it peanut butter in the Netherlands on account of that. It's peanut cheese (pindakaas).
hot_gril · 3 years ago
They already label it oat milk. Am I missing something? I just don't want to buy plain "milk," or something advertised to contain it, that turns out to be some substitute.
null0ranje · 3 years ago
Except peanut butter is not trying to be a substitute for butter.
jfengel · 3 years ago
According to Wikipedia, "milk" is an ambiguous word referring to over a dozen different "drinkable fluids". Also a drag queen and a Dragon Ball character.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk_(disambiguation)

JoeAltmaier · 3 years ago
Folks have been making milk from grains and nuts for nearly a thousand years, and calling it milk.

I think wikipedia should be updated to reflect what people are doing, instead of some narrow definition?

foxyv · 3 years ago
Yeah, I was digging through the history on the Wikipedia article. I kept wondering why there were no links to milk substitutes. But I don't see any edit wars or anything. It was just never there in the past couple years. Wikipedia is an okay source of information, but it tends to be incomplete.