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Posted by u/thecalebf 3 years ago
Show HN: I built an extension for analyzing rental properties in Zillowhomescope.io/...
Hey everyone, I build a Chrome Extension for real estate investors to be able to easily calculate the cash flow of a rental property right within Zillow.

As an aspiring real estate investor, I found spreadsheets and proprietary online calculators like Bigger Pockets to be complicated or slow. With Homescope, you can bring this within your workflow and estimate your operating expenses instantly.

natas · 3 years ago
Zillow has sent cease and desist letters, and sometimes sued people using the data from their site. You might be okay if you're not in the US though.
thecalebf · 3 years ago
The extension isn't storing any data from Zillow. Bigger Pocket's proprietary calculator pulls the data from Zillow as well. I think as long as you aren't storing or trying to make it proprietary it is better.
skanga · 3 years ago
I installed the extension but when I click on it (in Zillow) all I see is an EMPTY popout panel ...
synicalx · 3 years ago
IMO the appropriate response to this is to open source it, once the source is out in the wild then there's not much they can do about it.
tomrod · 3 years ago
That puts Open Source in an antagonistic position, which is overall harmful to the ecosystem.
theduder99 · 3 years ago
Looking at the Privacy Practices, I see PII info and authentication info. Can you speak to what exactly is collected and how?
thecalebf · 3 years ago
Hey there, yes the only thing collected is authentication so email password signing in via Firebase. It isn’t used in any way other than auth. Hope that answers your question!
mistrial9 · 3 years ago
speaking of rental property investments -- here is a very detailed apartment landlord wealth-generation story from Berkeley, California

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakireddy_Bali_Reddy

WonderBuilder · 3 years ago
This is great! Beautifully designed and effective. I'll definitely be trying this out.
thecalebf · 3 years ago
Thank you. Let me know if it meets your needs :)
abootstrapper · 3 years ago
Nice tool! Curious why it doesn’t auto populate Zillows estimated rent value?
nicnash08 · 3 years ago
I've wanted this for a long time, and it makes a ton of sense. Thanks!
thecalebf · 3 years ago
Let me know if you have all the tools you need :). Always open to add things to help make finding deals easier!
joshuaheard · 3 years ago
I've been thinking about making something like this. I can't wait to take a close look at it.
philip1209 · 3 years ago
I have a friend who's been doing this. Some things that confuse me, if anybody can shed light:

1. Do other developed countries allow 20x leverage on cash to buy homes?

2. It seems like most real estate investors aren't pursuing commercial loans, but instead are using personal home-loans. Is there any regulation of this? ("Oh, I intended to live there, but then something happened")

3. How can banks afford to give out loans at interest rates that are less than inflation? Is this due to Federal Reserve rates, and if so - do other developed countries maintain such low interest rates + tax benefits for home purchases? It seems like the US government is propping up this entire industry, rather than letting a free market operate.

jmvoodoo · 3 years ago
Lenders in the US offer loans for investors that are still not commercial loans. They have a higher interest rate than a loan against your primary residence. There is regulation preventing you from using a primary residence loan for an investment property, and lenders will enforce it.

Commercial loans are not typically used for things with 4 units or less, however they are required for non-residential builds and for multifamily >4 units.

Glyptodon · 3 years ago
I thought in the US if you lived in a home for several years you could move out and start renting it out without refinancing for some reason. Do you have a resource for more info about this?
webinvest · 3 years ago
Regarding only #3,

Banks can afford to give out loans that are less than inflation because they are creating money out of thin air to lend to you. Sure, the lent money is collateralized behind a property but it’s new money. It doesn’t really matter how much of a return they get as long as the return is higher than the default rate percentage and the return (after factoring in defaults) is positive.

There used to be restrictions like a 10% reserve ratio. But that’s been lifted in the US in 2020.

Big banks can also borrow money from the central bank to lend out. Current federal rate is 2.25%-2.5% and mortgages are about 5.9%. Thus banks keep the interest rate spread. Using those numbers, a $300,000 loan at a 30yr fixed rate is a bank product that will thus earn the bank $178,959.73 in interest. No wonder banks are the most wealthy class of businesses!

hsuduebc2 · 3 years ago
1). Yes they do. Some even loan you 110% (Netherland..) of property value but mostly they loan you around 80%-90% of price. Usually bigger leverage means bigger interest.

2. Not really and honestly banks usually don't care if you pay in time.

3. Now I'm talking from experience as resident of some European country. When you are giving a loan to someone to purchase a property as a bank you are not loaning your own money. You loan this money usually from central bank and then "re-loan" it for higher interest to customer. Most of the mortgages in Europe are with fixed interest for some period therefore inflation doesn't really bothers you because bank loaned this money from central bank in times where you get the mortgage when interests were low.

hsuduebc2 · 3 years ago
It worth noting that these "central bank money" is not giveaway of free cash flow. If another bank have surplus of cash on the end of the day they can lend it to the bank for some interest rate so they can make at least something out of it. This is the way how government controls inflation. When they set higher rates of interest banks usually rise their interest rates because it's simply is easier to let them sit in central banks.
serjester · 3 years ago
I'm going to qualify this with I'm not an expert but I do have some familiarity with the space.

1. While possible, loans where you put less than 20% down are tied to very high interest rates. Most people I know in the space avoid these or quickly refinance once the cash is available.

2. Commercial loans are difficult to get for an individual investor. If you're purchasing residential housing these aren't practical.

3. Banks interest rates are only tied to the federal interest rate.

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