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Posted by u/lbrito 3 years ago
Ask HN: What technologies have made your life worse?
I'll give just one example. A few weeks ago I took my baby to the doctor for a routine exam, which includes weighing.

Scales are an ancient, pretty straightforward technology. If a skilled craftsman built a scale 300 years ago and it was well maintained over the centuries, I think its reasonable to expect it to still work adequately, and a minimally trained person would be able to operate it.

However, this electronic scale was so complicated and full of gadgetry (including bluetooth) that the hospital staff were unable to weigh my child and we had to go back home and reschedule.

I can think of a million other examples (Juicero...) but I'm more curious to hear of real-life examples like the one I shared.

corrral · 3 years ago
Soft buttons and software-mediated knobs replacing real buttons and real knobs that actually do things.

Best microwave I've ever used was made in, I think, the late 70s. Didn't even have a turntable, and worked just fine without it, somehow. No clock at all. The "UI" was two heavy-feeling knobs, one for power and one for time. Turn the time knob, and it starts cooking at your selected power until the time runs down, with the knob itself tick-tocking down to zero and setting off a physical(!) buzzer. Want to add more time? Turn the knob while it's still running, no problem. Realize you added too much time? Ditto, but in reverse. Exactly as you'd expect. Simply pull the door open, no button for that, even.

Intuitive, simple, felt great to use, and did 100% of what I want out of a microwave.

Basically anything that used to have real buttons and knobs that have been replaced by shitty-feeling rubber-covered buttons and knobs that merely communicate suggestions, hooked up to an embedded computer, has a worse UI than what it replaced. And don't get me started on touch-sensitive buttons. At least touch screens have some excuse, some purpose. Dedicated touch-sensitive buttons are like some kind of practical joke, and have been central to several of my worst experiences with products.

hiyer · 3 years ago
I agree with this. My new washing machine has full-touch controls. It's great otherwise (includes full drying!), but it's way too easy to change the settings when it's running or turn it off when you're walking past it and accidentally bump against it.

Luckily I've found a workaround - I turn on the child lock once I've set up the wash program, so these accidental touches are ignored.

Turing_Machine · 3 years ago
> Didn't even have a turntable, and worked just fine without it, somehow.

It probably had a microwave "stirrer" -- basically just a rotating metal-bladed fan that the microwaves bounce off and get reflected to all parts of the oven cavity.

I believe large commercial microwaves may still use these. Residential models tend to use turntables because they're somewhat more compact.

nextweek2 · 3 years ago
Few years ago I brought a "fancy" microwave oven because it didn't have a turn table. I figured the lack of moving parts would add to its longevity.

I didn't realise it was old technology being remarketed.

majewsky · 3 years ago
I have one of these microwaves as well (albeit with a turntable) and it's one of my most beloved pieces of technology. The only thing is that it's 20+ years old and I'm dreading the day that it breaks and I won't be able to replace it with a model that has a non-terrible UI.
tmaly · 3 years ago
I remember my grandmother having one of those. The name of it was radar range. Had a pretty heavy hum when you ran it.
28304283409234 · 3 years ago
This, in cars.
zephraph · 3 years ago
Smartphones have had a significantly negative impact on my overall mental health. There's no denying that some of the features they provide clearly give tremendous value namely maps, messaging, and media (pictures/videos). Outside of that and limited utilities it becomes this broadly unfocused time sink that takes copious amounts of self discipline and boundaries to control. Given as an industry we've become so capable at capturing and holding user's attention there's this constant mental fixation on our phones and the continual dopamine hits they provide.

The minimalist smartphone market is developing but still rather anemic in its offering. I continue to watch companies like humane and blloc to see if they can ultimately produce something that is more compelling. Time will tell, but I feel like this is a market we really need more investment in.

corrral · 3 years ago
I'd class smartphones and in fact the entire Internet as largely negative, for me. But there are a handful of uses of both that are so damn valuable that they're hard to get rid of.

I used to dream about getting rid of both completely when I retire, but the way society and tech are going I expect that means I'd almost never see or hear from my kids or future grandkids or whoever. So, stuck with the crap still, I guess.

taylodl · 3 years ago
Delete all social media apps on your phone. You want none. I can access those sites from my home laptop - which provides just enough ceremony to force me to think what I'm doing. Sometimes I really do want to check in with friends and family, but at least there's just enough pomp and circumstance in order for me to do so that it dissuades the infinite scroll.
commonlisper · 3 years ago
Programming languages! It is ironic because I am a programmer and I write programs and develop software for a living. But proliferation of programming languages has made my life worse. Too many programming languages and every company has their own favorites!

It may be an unpopular opinion on HN but I don't enjoy learning new syntaxes every year for relatively few benefits in new concepts or paradigms.

In my ideal world everyone would be using Lisp (my username checks out!) but so much power. It has a simple syntax (some say it has no syntax but I think that is a little hyperbole). In my ideal world new concepts and paradigms are implemented in Lisp using Lisp. I'd much rather spend time solving real problems that real human beings care about. I'd much rather learning new ways of solving problems with new paradigms. I don't want to waste hours learning new syntaxes and their gotchas and edge-cases!

karpierz · 3 years ago
If you only had one programming language, this problem would turn into an issue of too many frameworks. The problem isn't that there are too many programming languages; the issue is that there are many ways to structure code around a problem. Different problems incentivize different structures and so you end up with different languages.

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valbaca · 3 years ago
~~Simple~~ JavaScript is eating the world. ClojureScript compiles to JS.

I'm convinced that Clojure will be the lisp-uber-language.

EDIT: I shouldn't have said "simple"; nothing ever is. I was being arrogant.

cudgy · 3 years ago
Do you get Javascript error messages in Clojure? That is one of the drawbacks to transpiled languages I have used before.

The best one I’ve used so far is Kotlin, which is a pleasure to use in comparison to Java, but this might be because I used it in an IDE written by the language designers themselves.

camoufleur · 3 years ago
If Lisp was the only language I'd never program again
ikeserbestian · 3 years ago
I have the same feelings for Lisp, honestly. From Day Zero of my programming experience I dreamt about a “meta” language (overdose of C64’s BASIC V2 caused this symptoms, maybe). I even didn’t know the meta word but years later I found the Lisp and said “yeah, that’s it”.
feoren · 3 years ago
> I don't enjoy learning new syntaxes every year

I don't understand why you need to pick up every new language that comes out. Can't you just hold down one job for longer than a year?

qorrect · 3 years ago
> some say it has no syntax

That was always my impression, you're writing the AST directly, then manipulating it with fancy macros.

throwawaytemp27 · 3 years ago
Good thing there are other languages for other peoples preferences!
mouzogu · 3 years ago
it's not the programming languages, it's the programmers.

people can't stop reinventing the wheel. everyone thinks they know better.

darkerside · 3 years ago
Car touchscreens are the worst. More complicated, more failure states, and I can't feel the volume button, so I have to take my eyes off the road.
qorrect · 3 years ago
Car touchscreens are actively making the world a more dangerous place to live in. And everyone seems ok with it.
sliken · 3 years ago
Dunno, I consider it a win. 99% of my looking at a touchscreen is at the map/car for more situational awareness. I look for things like is there a traffic jam coming up? Or see some motion out of the corner of my eye, turns out it's a motorcycle splitting lanes behind me. Or the car two cars ahead of me flashes red because it's braking. The always present current speed limit is handy as well, didn't realize how often I used it until I drove a car without it.

At least in Tesla's, it seems like a win for safety. No switching channels, no loading CDs/switching stations (just say "play pink floyd"), no playing with volume (it's on the steering wheel), automatic wipers, (with manual do it now on the stalk), automatic temp control, voice based nav that works well. Seat adjustments are on the seat. Cruise control following distances are on the steering wheel. Pause music is on the steering wheel (or automatic when you receive a call or ask for voice control).

Car's without touchscreens still often require looking, can you change your channel to preset #3 without looking? Switch from heat to AC mode? Defrost your front/rear windshield? Seems about the same as a touch screen, and relatively infrequent.

Not sure what people are doing on their touch screens, but I rarely touch mine, and when I look it's for more info about my environment, not less.

sliken · 3 years ago
Sounds ugly, on a tesla it's the left thumb wheel on steering wheel. So not only do you not have to take your eyes off the road, you don't have to take your hands off the wheel.
soco · 3 years ago
Tesla doesn't have touchscreens?
a_square_peg · 3 years ago
Yeah - this one. I'm sure there must have been some accidents that occurred because it really requires you to shift your attention to the screen.
damidekronik · 3 years ago
Chatbots. Cheap excuse to cut customer service or hide it behind a tedious process of convincing the if-else that it can't actually solve your problem.
silverPoodle · 3 years ago
Literally every IoT device! These things are terrible. My dishwasher can't wash dishes once it does a software update. My TV spies on me and shows me targeted ads. Every useless piece of hardware has a microphone and camera in it.... Heck, I've spent countless days breaking the microphones and cameras on my new "smart" devices before I feel comfortable using them.

Even after spending thousands of dollars on a car, I'm not allowed to install alternative privacy friendly firmware on it. It's bad enough that there are AI-powered cameras with facial recognition everywhere, but thanks to HD cameras in every $100 phone, it's hard to walk in a public place without being in the background of an Instagram story.

Everyone is spying on me and every damn "smart" device is turned against me..

cudgy · 3 years ago
Agreed. Smart TVs are at the top of my list of hated IoT devices. Why can’t one just buy a dumb tv terminal to do what a tv was designed for … display images?
nathanaldensr · 3 years ago
Why do you keep presumably buying these devices?
silverPoodle · 3 years ago
There aren't much alternatives anymore. If I go to a physical shop I won't get any dumb dishwasher anymore. That's how I got my current "smart" one.
fmitchell0 · 3 years ago
School's curriculum and grading system being connected to email alerts + doing standardized testing 3-4 times a year.

It takes a lot of energy to raise children and be a good partner. The anxiety introduced by constantly getting notified of what is being taught, what the grades are, what is missing EVERYDAY is not only overkill, but I think harmful.

My philosophy is that school (elementary, middle, high school) is a time to explore, be a kid, make mistakes, and do your best to navigate puberty.

The constant reminder of grades, grades, grades puts too much emphasis on my more school-inclined child to be obsessed with their identity as an "A" student, and my art-inclined child to rebel at every turn with us constantly stressing if she's "missed" anything.

D13Fd · 3 years ago
This is a good one.

Same with daycares. It used to be that the teachers would tell us if we needed to actually do something or bring something in.

Now, our kids miss out on school events because they are buried in single lines in one of the 4+ e-mails a day from them. And the response is always "didn't you see the e-mail?"

cudgy · 3 years ago
I like knowing what they are teaching my kids. I also like knowing when they are marked absent from school … in case I was not aware of their absence.
serial_dev · 3 years ago
Modern thermometers to take my temperature (fever).

I bought already a couple of them, and somehow none of them seems to work well, or they are too sensitive and I can't figure out where to measure my temperature and what counts as fever.

I finally found some thermometers that I used when I was younger, and now I can reliably measure my temperature and I can tell what counts as fever.

They didn't actually made my life worse, I don't want to be that dramatic, but I definitely dislike them.

kyriakos · 3 years ago
Had to go through 3 recently but finally found a digital one that fits the bill. Super fast and accurate. Shop around they are cheap so you can try a few before getting that good one.
D13Fd · 3 years ago
Have you tried digital ear thermometers? They work well enough for us, just based on the seeming consistency between "forehead feels hot" and "thermometer found a fever."
sudden_dystopia · 3 years ago
Not dramatic at all, those new thermometers are trash.