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bdw5204 · 4 years ago
The "blending" of corn with gas is an example of how the government routinely makes policies that are bad for everybody except some politically influential special interest. In this case, corn farmers in Iowa who have excessive political influence because Iowa is always the first state to vote for presidential nominees.

This is yet another reason why we need to get special interest money out of politics and why all presidential primaries should be held on the same day. If Iowa wasn't the first state in the presidential nomination process (and thus able to make or break presidential campaigns), no presidential candidate would need to pander to their corn farmer lobby.

chrisseaton · 4 years ago
> The "blending" of corn with gas

It isn't 'corn' - it's ethyl alcohol. It's C2H6O no matter how it was produced. All fossil fuels come from organic matter. You're making it sound silly by calling it corn but not actually making any useful point.

prepend · 4 years ago
It’s created in the US from corn. This policy was made to benefit corn producers. You are correct but your point isn’t relevant.
perihelions · 4 years ago
Related:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31438659 ("The Coming Food Catastrophe (economist.com)", 597 comments)

- "There is scope for substitution. About 10% of all grains are used to make biofuel; and 18% of vegetable oils go to biodiesel. Finland and Croatia have weakened mandates that require petrol to include fuel from crops. Others should follow their lead."

Filligree · 4 years ago
Yes. The timing of this is… utterly absurd.
azinman2 · 4 years ago
Except you can’t eat the corn that goes into ethanol.
beej71 · 4 years ago
This map of non-ethanol gas stations has worked well for me.

https://www.pure-gas.org/

cameldrv · 4 years ago
With us heading into a huge global grain shortage this seems like a very bad idea.
hammock · 4 years ago
Is US corn-based ethanol better or worse for the climate than gasoline?
thinkcontext · 4 years ago
Some parts of the gov say better some say worse. The difference is in how land use effects are calculated.

Everyone agrees it raises food prices.

sieabahlpark · 4 years ago
Fantastic! It's like this administration is trying to kill the poorest people.
rascul · 4 years ago
It might be worse. There was a discussion a few months ago.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30343170

formvoltron · 4 years ago
Worse. It loses energy or is energy break even between fertilizing, spraying, reaping, transporting, processing, & transporting again. However it does line some farm state pockets.
Overtonwindow · 4 years ago
This might be controversial, but I don’t think we should be using food as fuel for our vehicles.
hammock · 4 years ago
Would make it hard to use a horse, mule or ox in that case
gedy · 4 years ago
> The fuel consumes more than 40% of the nation’s corn supply

I know life's not so simple, but annoys me to hear this along side news blurbs about "massive food shortages coming!".

drewcon · 4 years ago
“Only 1 percent of all corn grown in this country is eaten by humans. The rest is No. 2 yellow field corn, which is indigestible to humans and used in animal feed, food supplements and ethanol.“

https://www.wired.com/2011/06/five-ethanol-myths-busted-2/

qeternity · 4 years ago
This is such a naive take. Most corn is used as feedstock. This is hugely important to production of animal protein, which humans eat.

Just because we don't eat the corn directly, doesn't mean we aren't eating the corn.

This would be like saying "only 1% of water is actually consumed by humans, so we don't need to worry about water shortages". The world just isn't that simple.

prpl · 4 years ago
this is a naive take. All corn is edible, though usually processed like it has been since corn was maize - ground or nixtamalized. And that’s how yellow corn is also used, to make tortilla chips and taco shells. You just aren’t going to grill it and eat it off the cob.

Saying it isn’t edible is like saying cassava isn’t edible.

prpl · 4 years ago
For a more nuanced take on the indigestible claim:

https://www.livescience.com/why-humans-cannot-digest-corn.ht...

But yes, No. 2 yellow field corn is a food for humans - just not in its rawest form.

tablespoon · 4 years ago
>> The fuel consumes more than 40% of the nation’s corn supply

> I know life's not so simple, but annoys me to hear this along side news blurbs about "massive food shortages coming!".

Honestly, that's probably part of the process of shifting production. Coordinating lots of people is hard.

amir734jj · 4 years ago
Does the percentage of ethanol have any effect on the engine?
taterbase · 4 years ago
Older car hoses can degrade faster from it. You also get less power per liter with the blend but overall no.
bombcar · 4 years ago
It also doesn’t “keep” as well (which is why you should burn non-oxy premium in small engines if you can’t get normal non oxy; or fully drain/run dry your lawn mower at the end of the season).

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pitaj · 4 years ago
It's an octane booster, which helps reduce knock.
RhysU · 4 years ago
Anything past E90 is terrible for motorcycles of all sizes and many small engines.
xtiansimon · 4 years ago
Reading my Suzuki Owner’s Manual it says no more than 10% ethanol, but also under no circumstances more than 5% methanol (wood alcohol). It’s getting so you need a gasoline “nutrition” label to keep your 2-wheel fun machine running well.

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