"So ahead of the election, the company tried to stop suggesting users join groups it thought they might be interested in" wouldn't it be ironic if the way the party in power took down Facebook was for meddling in the election prior to the events of the 6th.
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To the question of illegal vs unethical:
Undeclared contributions via services, and attempting to conceal the same donations would likely be considered illegal.
"Evaded" monitors. If Facebook were to censor anything related to election security prematurely, the conspiracy theorists would never let them live it down. This was purposeful and the right move on the part of FB.
It's evident that conspiracy theorists just want to believe in the paranoid fantasies at any cost. They don't reject disproven theories; they don't admit to being wrong. They're not interested in the real, existing conspiracies that have been well-documented but are boring or require technical expertise to understand.
When these people lose the ability to think with nuance and show no regards towards reality, whether FB is the evil entity they think it is, or it's not, becomes completely irrelevant. And given that deplatforming has been shown to work because people look for outrage rather than reason and that outrage is fueled by the content put in front of readers, from a pragmatist's point of view the censoring doesn't seem to bad.
It includes a few felonies, as well as misdemeanor assault charges, misdemeanor theft, etc. Use the search box and search for "felony", "weapon", "theft", "assault", "injury" and so on.
The worst offense charged thus far is not illegal parading. It may the worst already fully pleaded out, because, well, people tend to plead out early for charges that sound like that.
They hold on longer for more serious charges. I think there's also some effort from the various prosecutors to plead charges down either for expediency, or PR purposes , etc.
You cite the conviction of a couple "low-level" people who only trespassing, but there were certainly people who were violent. Multiple people died. They threatened to kill the vice president and members of congress. If they weren't stopped, surely government officials would have died. It might be a strong word, but I don't think it is entirely unwarranted.
> Assaulting, resisting, or impeding certain officers using a dangerous weapon or inflicting bodily injury; civil disorder; entering and remaining in a restricted building or grounds with a deadly or dangerous weapon; disorderly and disruptive conduct in a restricted building or grounds; engaging in physical violence in a restricted building or grounds; disorderly conduct in a Capitol building; parading, demonstrating, or picketing in a Capitol building
Thanks for describing the Portland riots that went on all of last year. Oh and they went a step further and actually tried to burn down federal buildings and kill police officers.
People with riot gear and zip ties stormed the capital with the express purpose of stopping the certification of a free and fair election. They were literally trying to overthrow an election. That was the point.
It was coordinated with the highest levels of The GOP, including the president.
There were two bombs.
It has the full throated support of the entirety of the GOP leadership, who are doing everything in their power to block any investigation.
More people died because of Jan 6th than the Beer Hall Putsch, which was substantially less successful than January 6th.
The zip tie dude apparently got them from within the capitol and took them so they couldn’t be used against them.
The rally was coordinated by the president, not breaking in to the capitol.
We don’t know who placed the bombs. From their placement it seems to me they could have been used to kill people at the rally, but who knows.
Let’s be real: it was a bunch of idiots that found an excuse to do something they thought would be fun, the same with all the other riots we’ve seen recently. If those people really wanted to mount an insurrection they would have brought and used firearms that they almost certainly own.
Wait, breaking and entering into the capitol is “illegal parading”? I think insurrection is the wrong word too since it was more of a joke than a serious coup attempt, but when they actually broke into the building that was a big security issue.
> Wait, breaking and entering into the capitol is “illegal parading”?
No, illegally parading, demonstrating, or picketing in the Capitol is a minor offense most Jan. 6 defendants were charged with, often along with much more serious offense, including, for many, that of breaking and entering, acts of violence, use of dangerous weapons, and destruction of government property (all of which are more serious offenses.)
The claim that that is the most serious offense charged (its a misdemeanor that can result in a maximum of 6 months on prison) is just a lie, many of the acts can be punished with a decade in prison, some maybe more than that (I haven't checked every charged offense.)
No, I think it's significantly more serious than that when considering the rhetoric being used by some of the people.
One of the people who was charged with misdemeanor trespassing posted a video saying “We broke into the Capitol. . . . We got inside, we did our part,” adding, “We were looking for Nancy to shoot her in the friggin’ brain, but we didn’t find her.”
I'm pretty strongly in the conservative-free-speech-maximalist camp and can't condone this kind of violence apologia; it's on the wrong side of an uncontroversial bright line. The voices of anyone who can't talk without espousing violence against politicians they disagree with won't be missed in the national conversation.
If someone dies while committing a crime in some states the entire party can be tried for murder.
On the other hand I have watched videos of the "unwanted guests" being invited in, and in one case being given a tour.
If you invite people in and then shoot them it could rightly be considered murder.
Property was stolen and damaged which lends itself to being more than a guided tour.
A similar event happened to the White House in March 4, 1829. A party was thrown and they trashed the white house.
Another event for context:
Bomb explodes in U.S. Capitol, Nov. 7, 1983
President Bill Clinton pardoned the now styled "activist".
The whole event on the 6th was a cluster, and there was FBI involvement.
Calling it an insurrection maybe right for the wrong reasons. "Cui bono" certainly not Trump nor the Conservatives.
Either way both sides are in bed with big tech and all should resign from politics and we should have elections again and disqualify anyone who took money, or favors from big tech.
No officer was murdered on Jan 6. The story about the fire extinguisher was a lie, and it obviously worked much like a lot of other narratives that day.
> Diaz told The Washington Post that the autopsy found no evidence that Sicknick experienced an allergic reaction to chemical irritants. He also said there was no evidence of either external or internal injuries.
Readit News
Edit:
To the question of illegal vs unethical:
Undeclared contributions via services, and attempting to conceal the same donations would likely be considered illegal.
https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates-and-committees/making-di...
It's evident that conspiracy theorists just want to believe in the paranoid fantasies at any cost. They don't reject disproven theories; they don't admit to being wrong. They're not interested in the real, existing conspiracies that have been well-documented but are boring or require technical expertise to understand.
When these people lose the ability to think with nuance and show no regards towards reality, whether FB is the evil entity they think it is, or it's not, becomes completely irrelevant. And given that deplatforming has been shown to work because people look for outrage rather than reason and that outrage is fueled by the content put in front of readers, from a pragmatist's point of view the censoring doesn't seem to bad.
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Ever wonder if this whole thing is politically motivated to make sure anybody remotely conservative can't talk on Facebook?
"Insurrection" is monstrously strong language to call something whose worst legal offense is illegal parading. [0]
[0]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/jail-sente...
There's a searchable table of charges as of October 19th, here: https://www.insider.com/all-the-us-capitol-pro-trump-riot-ar...
It includes a few felonies, as well as misdemeanor assault charges, misdemeanor theft, etc. Use the search box and search for "felony", "weapon", "theft", "assault", "injury" and so on.
The worst offense charged thus far is not illegal parading. It may the worst already fully pleaded out, because, well, people tend to plead out early for charges that sound like that.
They hold on longer for more serious charges. I think there's also some effort from the various prosecutors to plead charges down either for expediency, or PR purposes , etc.
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The only person that died a non-natural cause death on that day was the unarmed woman shot by Capitol Police.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/trump-rio...
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/brian-sicknick-capitol-riot-die...
That's seriously it.
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https://www.insider.com/all-the-us-capitol-pro-trump-riot-ar...
> Assaulting, resisting, or impeding certain officers using a dangerous weapon or inflicting bodily injury; civil disorder; entering and remaining in a restricted building or grounds with a deadly or dangerous weapon; disorderly and disruptive conduct in a restricted building or grounds; engaging in physical violence in a restricted building or grounds; disorderly conduct in a Capitol building; parading, demonstrating, or picketing in a Capitol building
It was coordinated with the highest levels of The GOP, including the president.
There were two bombs.
It has the full throated support of the entirety of the GOP leadership, who are doing everything in their power to block any investigation.
More people died because of Jan 6th than the Beer Hall Putsch, which was substantially less successful than January 6th.
If it wasn’t an insurrection, what was it?
The rally was coordinated by the president, not breaking in to the capitol.
We don’t know who placed the bombs. From their placement it seems to me they could have been used to kill people at the rally, but who knows.
Let’s be real: it was a bunch of idiots that found an excuse to do something they thought would be fun, the same with all the other riots we’ve seen recently. If those people really wanted to mount an insurrection they would have brought and used firearms that they almost certainly own.
No, illegally parading, demonstrating, or picketing in the Capitol is a minor offense most Jan. 6 defendants were charged with, often along with much more serious offense, including, for many, that of breaking and entering, acts of violence, use of dangerous weapons, and destruction of government property (all of which are more serious offenses.)
The claim that that is the most serious offense charged (its a misdemeanor that can result in a maximum of 6 months on prison) is just a lie, many of the acts can be punished with a decade in prison, some maybe more than that (I haven't checked every charged offense.)
One of the people who was charged with misdemeanor trespassing posted a video saying “We broke into the Capitol. . . . We got inside, we did our part,” adding, “We were looking for Nancy to shoot her in the friggin’ brain, but we didn’t find her.”
I'm pretty strongly in the conservative-free-speech-maximalist camp and can't condone this kind of violence apologia; it's on the wrong side of an uncontroversial bright line. The voices of anyone who can't talk without espousing violence against politicians they disagree with won't be missed in the national conversation.
If someone dies while committing a crime in some states the entire party can be tried for murder.
On the other hand I have watched videos of the "unwanted guests" being invited in, and in one case being given a tour.
If you invite people in and then shoot them it could rightly be considered murder.
Property was stolen and damaged which lends itself to being more than a guided tour.
A similar event happened to the White House in March 4, 1829. A party was thrown and they trashed the white house.
Another event for context:
Bomb explodes in U.S. Capitol, Nov. 7, 1983
President Bill Clinton pardoned the now styled "activist".
The whole event on the 6th was a cluster, and there was FBI involvement.
Calling it an insurrection maybe right for the wrong reasons. "Cui bono" certainly not Trump nor the Conservatives.
Either way both sides are in bed with big tech and all should resign from politics and we should have elections again and disqualify anyone who took money, or favors from big tech.
> Diaz told The Washington Post that the autopsy found no evidence that Sicknick experienced an allergic reaction to chemical irritants. He also said there was no evidence of either external or internal injuries.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/capitol-polic...