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samizdis · 4 years ago
Reuters version of story:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-congress-security/u-s...

Edit to add: NY Times piece [1] mentions that vote on policing legislation brought foward to Wed night from Thursday because of cancellation.

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/03/us/politics/capitol-riot-...

room505 · 4 years ago
Domestic terrorism is a very real and growing threat in the US. Those that think otherwise should read the book "Bring the War Home" by the fascinating University of Chicago professor Kathleen Belew. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/36228413-bring-the-war-h...
enko123 · 4 years ago
Not really. The FBI infiltrates these groups easily and quickly like they did with the militias in the 90s.
room505 · 4 years ago
Infiltrating easily does not negate the fact that domestic terrorism is growing.

"In 2019, the FBI revealed that it has arrested or disrupted more domestic terrorism suspects than international terrorism suspects “in recent years,” indicating the growing threat of domestic terrorism and the corresponding shift in law enforcement resources.

Moreover, the bulk of the domestic terrorism cases investigated by the FBI in recent years are linked to “racially motivated violent extremism,” and of those cases, white supremacy represents the greatest share."

https://www.lawfareblog.com/how-federal-government-investiga...

"The FBI and Department of Homeland Security are doing more at home. Senior officials highlighted the danger of white supremacist and anti-government violence, suggesting they are increasing resources against these threats."

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2020/12/24/2...

endisneigh · 4 years ago
Why is it even necessary in this day and age to meet in person to begin with? Our government should trying to make things more accessible. I would advocate for an entirely digitized White House. Anyone who's dealt with Robert's Rules of Order knows that most of the "rules" in that book could definitively be programmatically enforced. A faster government is a more efficient one.
danans · 4 years ago
There's a lot of value in meeting in person. For one thing, it demonstrates that you literally have skin in the game, which in matters of governance is very important, especially at the national level. There's a reason that peace treaties are signed in person after all.
endisneigh · 4 years ago
Agreed - however I think the meeting in person should be among the representatives and their constituents, not each other.

Ideally AOC, for example, would be in a convenient location in her district and meet with members of her district who want to watch her represent them. The other advantage of this is when there's a lull (due to the boring procedural bits of governance) they might ask her to bring something up that's relevant to the current discourse.

cma · 4 years ago
> There's a reason that peace treaties are signed in person after all.

That maybe applies here, but I don't think a virus is going to take in-person meeting as a token of goodwill and go easy.

NationalPark · 4 years ago
There were in fact rule change proposals last year to allow Congress to vote remotely! McConnell blocked them in the Senate, and Republican reps opposed them in the House (though Pelosi herself was never enthusiastic about it and there was some bipartisan support so it wasn't quite along party lines).
nichochar · 4 years ago
There's a lot of talk about decentralization these days. Decentralize this, and that, and a lot of it is silly and excessive. Example: centralizing twitter seems so far to be good for twitter (they're doing very well, much better than mastodon).

I however believe that decentralizing the government, even a little, would have tons of positive impact. The govermnent is the apex example of "too much centralization and bureaucrazy kills any kind of efficiency".

I hope this happens in the near future.

NoOneNew · 4 years ago
Because digitizing all the things has been wonderous for the human condition. Sky rocketing cases of anxiety, depression and mental illness in the days of hyper digital connectivity. Let's double down some more.

Also, take some lessons from history. Republics and Democracies are slow by design. The idea being, an educated public is able to route a renegade government body. Dictatorships are world renown for their speed and efficiency... not so much for their human rights advocacy. Even Bush Jr made the joke back in the day that passing laws would be a whole hell of a lot easier if the US was a dictatorship.

Dont bitch you dont have a voice in the current system when you cant even be bothered to try.

I prefer arguing that a politician is an asshole rather than trying to convince people that the all mighty algorithm is flawed. Content creators are already fighting back against the tyranny of algorithms, you think a gov based one is going to solve anything?

Bostonian · 4 years ago
Sufficient police and/or troops should be stationed so that Congress can do its business, rather than letting extremists win by closing it for a day.
krapp · 4 years ago
At least 35 Capitol police are being investigated for acting in sympathy with the insurrectionists so that might not be the best idea.
readflaggedcomm · 4 years ago
The founders argued against standing armies less powerful than modern police, and also declared that government should be afraid of the people (to paraphrase Jefferson).

How do these bedrock laws and founding ideals square with your scenario?

senectus1 · 4 years ago
and to make sure they're fed right :-/
not_a_moth · 4 years ago
Political theater be political theater. Wonder what new measures they want to push, for "safety" against "domestic terrorism"?
enkid · 4 years ago
This is less than two months after our Capitol was stormed by people with bombs and zip cuffs.
not_a_moth · 4 years ago
Just FYI no death has been officially linked to a "rioter", no firearms have been found in connection with it. Sites like ZH are tracking all this, because to many it smells like yet another staging of political capital.
johncozen · 4 years ago
This person is clearly not arguing in good faith
gwright · 4 years ago
> But according to the new filing, Munchel and his mother took the handcuffs from within the Capitol building — apparently to ensure the Capitol Police couldn't use them on the insurrectionists — rather than bring them in when they initially breached the building.

https://www.insider.com/zip-tie-guy-capitol-riot-plastic-han...

offby37years · 4 years ago
> our Capitol was stormed by people with bombs

Source please.

cobraetor · 4 years ago
> Wonder what new measures they want to push, for "safety" against "domestic terrorism"?

Doubling down on stifling free speech of course.

https://reclaimthenet.org/democrats-level-up-their-censorshi...

cobraetor · 4 years ago
Apparently Thursday (March 4th) is significant to QAnon believers.

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-56260345

<quote> Before the 20th amendment of the US Constitution - adopted in 1933 - moved the swearing-in dates of the president and Congress to January, American leaders took office on 4 March.

That's why QAnon followers have latched on to this date to underpin their latest theory. </quote>

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jimbob45 · 4 years ago
“Law enforcement's insight into threats is "increasingly constrained" by the use of secure communications by extremists, according to the report.”, they said, stifling giggles.