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abricot · 7 years ago
I work in a building with one. It takes 15.5 seconds between floors, wich is a bit slower than our elevators, but because there is no door, buttons and usually no queue it really is very quick.

In the course of the day it makes moving between adjacent floors for meetings completely effortless.

discoursism · 7 years ago
Unless you are disabled, moving between adjacent floors is pretty easy with stairs. And lots of types of disabilities that would prevent the use of stairs would seem to make these risky or impossible to ride. All in all, I'm pretty happy these never caught on.
abricot · 7 years ago
Add 15.5s per floor, no perspiration, bring a cup of coffee.

Sure, if you love stairs by all means take them. But no, it's just not convenient on the same level.

sannee · 7 years ago
Three of these were scheduled to be replaced several years ago at my university - the administration however pulled the "voluntarily call the historical conservationists" trick and they are still operational.
mannschott · 7 years ago
We had a pair of Paternoster in my place of work (in addition to two pairs of elevators) until a year ago. They've since been replaced by a small pair of elevators, which work fine, but the paternoster just had more character. Power usage was given as the reason for replacing them.
rtkwe · 7 years ago
That and they're super unfriendly to anyone with a movement disability.
johnday · 7 years ago
Is that relevant though if you have lifts too?
jadell · 7 years ago
How easily these can be used by people with disabilities? Someone in a wheelchair or on crutches who can't move fast enough would be frustrated or, at worst, seriously injured by one of these.
userbinator · 7 years ago
The same applies to escalators (which are, if you think about it, simply a less extreme version of a paternoster.)
FreeFull · 7 years ago
Typically buildings with escalators will also have elevators too though, explicitly to allow for people who won't/can't use the escalator.
sannee · 7 years ago
The (admittedly just two) places I have seen had a "normal" elevator for this purpose.
majewsky · 7 years ago
I believe this is the reason why, at least in Germany, no new paternosters are allowed to be constructed, and existing paternosters are usually converted to conventional elevators during renovations.
jjuhl · 7 years ago
Why is that relevant? Of course they cannot safely be used by such people - they'll just have to use something else - like stairs or regular elevators.
mikeash · 7 years ago
Why is that not relevant? Accommodation for disabilities is an important purpose of most elevators, and it's a reasonable question to ask.
InclinedPlane · 7 years ago
"Like stairs." Did you take the time to put any thought into that?

Also, jamming multiple elevator shafts into a building is usually non-trivial. If you have to choose between a paternoster and a regular elevator you will always pick a regular elevator because it helps people with movement disabilities (among other reasons).

etblg · 7 years ago
Let me just hop up all those stairs in a wheelchair
Odenwaelder · 7 years ago
There are 3 places left in Germany where they're allowed to operate. One of those places is Leica in Wetzlar. It's absolutely fun to ride it, much faster than conventional lifts, but it's understandable that they're being shut down for safety reasons.
icebraining · 7 years ago
Are you sure about that number? The WSJ said in 2015 that Germany had 231 left.
tgsovlerkhgsel · 7 years ago
It might be the publicly accessible ones.
reichardt · 7 years ago
Three sounds a bit low. There's even one at my University HTW Berlin.
zeke · 7 years ago
Stuttgart's Rathaus has two. Uni Stuttgart had one that I know of, but last I heard it had been stopped.

I always make a point to go to the Rathaus and ride them when I visit.

The floors fold up where the lift's floor meets the building's floor to prevent crushing your foot. It also has a switch which immediately stops the paternoster and sounds an alarm. I had not realized that and stopped the system while showing it to my son.

kuschku · 7 years ago
Really, only 3? Because there’s two alone in Kiel (old city hall and the Landtag)
TomMarius · 7 years ago
I guess it's similar to the Czech Republic - old ones are allowed to remain in operation, but you can't build new ones except for the places GP listed.
Odenwaelder · 7 years ago
Then this information might be wrong, I only heard it from some employees.
hnhg · 7 years ago
There's one at the Rosa Luxemburg Stiftung in Berlin but visitors aren't allowed to use it.
enriquto · 7 years ago
What is so dangerous about them? I do not get it.
bboreham · 7 years ago
They don’t stop at floors: you have to time it right and step in or out fast enough to avoid falling too far or getting crushed.

My mother’s workplace had one when I was about seven, and I was terrified even to think about it.

nagVenkat · 7 years ago
I had the “pleasure” of using one in Germany. I had the worst sense of dread when I was getting into and out of them. But I think I just needed to get used to them I guess.
enriquto · 7 years ago
If you think about it, it is orders of magnitude less dreadful than walking on a street with hundreds of cars around you, driven by strangers.
closeparen · 7 years ago
Cars are periodically made to stop to let you through. This is more like trying to cross a freeway.
MarcScott · 7 years ago
I did a work experience placement at a UK hospital about twenty five years ago, and they had an operational paternoster lift. It took about two days of regularly riding the thing before I plucked up the courage to ride it all the way over the top.
ehnto · 7 years ago
Oh my I hadn't even thought about what happens at the top or bottom. Was it completely enclosed? Do you end up going behind the lifts that are facing the opening or is there a divider?

What if the power shuts off at the peak? Or worse, at the bottom in the less trafficked basement level? So many questions.

tom_mellior · 7 years ago
For questions of this type, YouTube can be good. Here is a random video I found by typing "paternoster over the top" (it's one of the suggestions once you type "paternoster") into the search box: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoCQ6tq5wJE
userbinator · 7 years ago
It's like a conveyor belt - one side goes up, the other side goes down. Going over the ends means you reverse direction and continue on the other side.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Paternoster_animated.gif

tgsovlerkhgsel · 7 years ago
You get to see a sign that this is not dangerous, then the wheels driving the machine, and the cabin may shake a little bit. However, it does not flip over, and a few seconds later, you'll be on the way down and able to get off at whatever floor you like.

> What if the power shuts off at the peak? Or worse, at the bottom in the less trafficked basement level?

Then you're stuck in there just like you'd be stuck in most other elevators (or slightly less, since you might be able to get into the engine room if you don't mind the fact that it could restart at any time).

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