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tchaffee commented on Orange Site Hit   blog.davep.org/2024/01/01... · Posted by u/nmstoker
tchaffee · 2 years ago
> discrimination does not fix discrimination.

Quote me where I said it does.

> yea nope you are right I agree you are sexist for insisting on doing the tie breaker on the basis of gender.

I never said to make the tie breaker based on gender. You're wrong again. You get a lot wrong.

Noted that you avoided most of my questions.

tchaffee commented on Orange Site Hit   blog.davep.org/2024/01/01... · Posted by u/nmstoker
zzzzzzzza · 2 years ago
yea see I run my own business and I don't consider the gender or race of people applying (aka not racist/sexist)

> It's hard to even find women to interview, let alone hire.

from my perspective this is a subtle admission of active positive discrimination on your part, frankly if i was a woman maybe i would find it a little off putting that a bunch of old guys were real keen to get me under their supervision

if there is a movement to get men into nursing, it's not nearly as vocal (and why would there be?)

tchaffee · 2 years ago
> yea see I run my own business

Ok, you still have zero experience in our industry, per your own words. And it shows.

> I don't consider the gender or race of people applying (aka not racist/sexist)

So you're ok with reinforcing any existing sexism and racism in the pipeline.

I'll give you a concrete example. We have to choose a speaker for our tech conference. All else being equal the tie-breaker will be to choose the person with the most speaking experience. Can you see how you've possibly and probably just reinforced existing sexism? I would guess you cannot see it.

> a subtle admission of active positive discrimination on your part

Nah. I usually don't have a say about who gets into the hiring pipeline. And when I have had a say I've always talked to recruiters about qualifications not gender or race. So you got that wrong.

> frankly if i was a woman maybe i would find it a little off putting that a bunch of old guys were real keen to get me under their supervision

You should speak to some actual women so you can correct your bad guesses.

A bunch of old guys? What makes you think they are guys or old?

Keen to get someone under their supervision? You sound creepy.

tchaffee commented on Orange Site Hit   blog.davep.org/2024/01/01... · Posted by u/nmstoker
jocaal · 2 years ago
> Our industry is still full of sexism and racism.

Im curious what people like you want. If you look at the rest of the world, the west seems like it is decades ahead with this sort of stuff than anyone else in the world. And social change on national scales don't happen overnight. Yes improvements can be made, but HN is a site focussed on technology and that is what is mostly discussed. If some sexism or racism or whatever slips through, thats just the world we live in today. If you look at the youth today, they are already much more accommodating towards diverse views. Just give the world time and you'll see on average things will get better. But forcing your views onto people who grew up differently than you is just annoying.

[edit] when saying "people like you" I am refering to the highly vocal inflexible people on the interwebs.

tchaffee · 2 years ago
> Im curious what people like you want

A website to discuss interesting things in thoughtful way that is largely free from sexism, ageism, and racism.

> the west seems like it is decades ahead with this sort of stuff

Some countries treated slaves better than other countries. Hopefully you can agree there was still a big problem to fix.

> social change on national scales don't happen overnight

Sure. And I'll be impatient and insistent until I live in the kind of world I want, which is one that is free as practically as possible from sexism, ageism, racism and other bias that keeps us from achieving what we are truly capable of as a species.

> If you look at the youth today, they are already much more accommodating towards diverse views

Which is why many of them avoid this site and call it "The Orange Site".

> Just give the world time and you'll see on average things will get better

I already said things are getting better. I also don't have time. I'm old. And the oppressed themselves have no patience. Nor should they.

> forcing your views onto people who grew up differently than you is just annoying

Who here is forcing their views on people who grew up differently?

If the price to pay for a better world is that I have to annoy some people who want to maintain the status quo, I am more than willing to pay that price. I wish it were actually that easy.

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tchaffee commented on Orange Site Hit   blog.davep.org/2024/01/01... · Posted by u/nmstoker
jocaal · 2 years ago
> Our industry is still full of sexism and racism.

Im curious what people like you want. If you look at the rest of the world, the west seems like it is decades ahead with this sort of stuff than anyone else in the world. And social change on national scales don't happen overnight. Yes improvements can be made, but HN is a site focussed on technology and that is what is mostly discussed. If some sexism or racism or whatever slips through, thats just the world we live in today. If you look at the youth today, they are already much more accommodating towards diverse views. Just give the world time and you'll see on average things will get better. But forcing your views onto people who grew up differently than you is just annoying.

[edit] when saying "people like you" I am refering to the highly vocal inflexible people on the interwebs.

tchaffee · 2 years ago
> people who grew up differently than you

I've been working in this industry for almost four decades. Who grew up differently from me?

You need to go back and fix all your wrong assumptions. There are lots of them.

tchaffee commented on Orange Site Hit   blog.davep.org/2024/01/01... · Posted by u/nmstoker
ChrisMarshallNY · 2 years ago
> sexism and racism

I'd add "ageism" to the list.

Just sayin'...

tchaffee · 2 years ago
I've been working in our industry for almost four decades. Yeah, ageism is an ugly part of our industry too.
tchaffee commented on Orange Site Hit   blog.davep.org/2024/01/01... · Posted by u/nmstoker
lapcat · 2 years ago
> I'll probably get downvotes for

For all X, saying "I'll probably get downvotes for" is an invitation to get downvoted.

tchaffee · 2 years ago
Yes it is. I've been here for over a decade. But despite your tip, I'm still going to speak freely this one time.
tchaffee commented on Orange Site Hit   blog.davep.org/2024/01/01... · Posted by u/nmstoker
SonOfLilit · 2 years ago
Personally, if a link sounds interesting, I go directly to the hn comments, and only rarely do I click the link itself.

This is the best comment section on the internet, not sure what there is to be frustrated about. (Thanks pg and dang for putting so much effort in keeping it this way!)

tchaffee · 2 years ago
I'll probably get downvotes for telling the truth, but whatever, it deserves to be said even if folks only see it for a few hours.

Our industry is still full of sexism and racism. Yes, things have gotten better. But most women in our industry can still tell you disturbing stories. We still have a long way to go.

HN is a generally going to reflect our industry. Some days are better than others here and it really depends on the topic. But it's pretty disappointing when you do come across some blatant sexism or racism and folks agree with it. PG himself is occasionally an angry privileged man moaning about the woke mob so it's no surprise not much has changed here over the decades. The owners like it this way. PG and Dang also get a lot right about how to run a site like this. Both can be true.

tchaffee commented on Ideal monitor rotation for programmers (2021)   sprocketfox.io/xssfox/202... · Posted by u/AndrewKemendo
vermaden · 2 years ago
Its just another Xorg/X11 feature that overrated Wayland does not have.

It works the same on FreeBSD and Illumos - its not limited to Linux in any way.

Below example from my http://vermaden.wordpress.com/freebsd-desktop setup.

- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GChSlZHXIAEgT8T?format=jpg&name=...

- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GChSlbFWUAA0x6G?format=jpg&name=...

Regards,

vermaden

tchaffee · 2 years ago
Who is overrating Wayland?
tchaffee commented on The falling nutritional value of crops   jeroenvanbaar.substack.co... · Posted by u/AnEducatedGuess
Log_out_ · 2 years ago
Why? It's like advocating for a society wide genocide with nice fluffy words. Isil propaganda starts like this too:"let's just go back to nature, let's just go back to the golden years, the good old days". This stuff has killed and kills every time it becomes policy. As we speak Sri Lanka starves,the ashes of the starved, they are on grand parents hands.
tchaffee · 2 years ago
You're invoking Nazis and Isil in a discussion about farming. You've lost the plot.

u/tchaffee

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