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srkirk commented on MIT Study Finds AI Use Reprograms the Brain, Leading to Cognitive Decline   publichealthpolicyjournal... · Posted by u/cainxinth
tomrod · 8 days ago
> I feel like saying papers pre peer review should be taken with a grain of salt should be stopped.

Absolutely not. I am an advocate for peer review, warts and all, and find that it has significant value. From a personal perspective, peer review has improved or shot down 100% of the papers that I have worked on -- which to me indicates its value to ensure good ideas with merit make it through. Papers I've reviewed are similarly improved -- no one knows everything and its helpful to have others with knowledge add their voice, even when the reviewers also add cranky items.[0] I would grant that it isn't a perfect process (some reviewers, editors are bad, some steal ideas) -- but that is why the marketplace of ideas exists across journals.

> Science should become a marketplace of ideas.

This already happens. The scholarly sphere is the savanna when it comes to resources -- it looks verdant and green but it is highly resource constrained. A shitty idea will get ripped apart unless it comes from an elephant -- and even then it can be torn to shreds.

That it happens behind paywalls is a huge problem, and the incentive structures need to be changed for that. But unless we want blatant charlatanism running rampant, you want quality checks.

[0] https://x.com/JustinWolfers/status/591280547898462209?lang=e... if a car were a manuscript

srkirk · 8 days ago
What happens if (a) the scholarly sphere is continually expanding and (b) no researcher has time to be ripping apart anything? That also suggests (c) Researchers delegate reviewing duties to LLMs.
srkirk commented on MIT Study Finds AI Use Reprograms the Brain, Leading to Cognitive Decline   publichealthpolicyjournal... · Posted by u/cainxinth
mnky9800n · 8 days ago
I feel like saying papers pre peer review should be taken with a grain of salt should be stopped. Peer review is not some idealistic scientific endeavour it often leads to bullshit comments, slows down release, is free work for companies that have massive profit margins, etc. From my experience publishing 30+ papers I have received as many bad or useless comments as I have good ones. We should at least default to open peer review and editorial communication.

Science should become a marketplace of ideas. Your other criticisms are completely valid. Those should be what’s front and center. And I agree with you. The conclusions of the paper are premature and designed to grab headlines and get citations. Might as well be posting “first post” on slashdot. IMO we should not see the current standard of peer review as anything other than anachronistic.

srkirk · 8 days ago
I believe LLMs have the potential to (for good or ill, depending on your view) destroy academic journals.

The scenario I am thinking of is academic A submitting a manuscript to an academic journal, which gets passed on by the journal editor to a number of reviewers, one of whom is academic B. B has a lot on their plate at the moment, but sees a way to quickly dispose of the reviewing task, thus maintaining a possibly illusory 'good standing' in the journal's eyes, by simply throwing the manuscript to an LLM to review. There are (at least) two negative scenarios here: 1. The paper contains embedded (think white text on a white background) instructions left by academic A to any LLM reading the manuscript to view it in a positive light, regardless of how well the described work has been conducted. This has already happened IRL, by the way. 2. Academic A didn't embed LLM instructions, but receives the review report, which show clear signs that the reviewer either didn't understand the paper, gave unspecific comments, highlighted only typos or simply used phrasing that seems artifically-generated. A now feels aggrieved that their paper was not given the attention and consideration it deserved by an academic peer and now has a negative opinion of the journal for (seemingly) allowing the paper to be LLM-reviewed. And just as journals will have great difficulty filtering for LLM-generated manuscripts, it will also find it very difficult to filter for LLM-generated reviewers reports.

Granted, scenario 2 already happens with only humans in the loop (the dreaded 'Reviewer 2' academic meme). But LLMs can only make this much much worse.

Both scenarios destroy trust in the whole idea of peer-reviewed science journals.

srkirk commented on Ask HN: Suggest a name for a website archival app?    · Posted by u/busymom0
srkirk · 3 months ago
ColdML H(o)tML for websites -> ColdML when archived. Also, connotations of cold storage, deep freeze preservation etc.
srkirk commented on Ask HN: Are there high quality MP3 players with an open ecosystem?    · Posted by u/andrewstuart
srkirk · 10 months ago
I've used a number of Philips SA2208 8Gb players, with headphone jack, for this. The simple display seems to get patchy after a while, but the music playing function seems to work quite well for my purposes. I'm not aware of any third-party firmware support though.
srkirk commented on Ask HN: Boring but important tech no one is working on?    · Posted by u/sremani
srkirk · 3 years ago
One summary of some of the basic technologies can be found in: https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-94-015-8263-6_... and cited references therein. A more recent variation on this theme can be found at: http://dx.doi.org/10.1021/ie020198r
srkirk · 3 years ago
Disclaimer (does it really need one?): On the first link above: I shared responsibility for the menial editing, checking and manual indexing of the entire book volume.
srkirk commented on Ask HN: Boring but important tech no one is working on?    · Posted by u/sremani
dragostudor · 3 years ago
What is stopping such projects from scaling? Are the economics not there yet?
srkirk · 3 years ago
Not sure. I know that the conglomerate Outokumpu once had a pilot plant with high-Tc superconducting magnets deployed in the Amazon region somewhere ('Ice in the jungle'? Hah, hold my beer, try liquid-helium cooled superconducting magnets in the jungle).

I know because a colleague joined the company, and one of his first assignments was to diagnose unexpectedly large helium losses. A quick FFT later of the recorded Dewar flask levels revealed a 24-hour periodicity, and further analysis found that for a couple of hours every day, the full heat of the tropical sun was finding its way to the tin roof of the mine shed housing the superconducting magnet systems.

I haven't heard anything more about the technology or its economics/scaling since then. But I also certainly haven't heard anything more about its use with landfill-derived feedstocks, which seems like a reasonable move.

srkirk commented on Ask HN: Boring but important tech no one is working on?    · Posted by u/sremani
carapace · 3 years ago
Have you got any links or search terms?
srkirk · 3 years ago
One summary of some of the basic technologies can be found in: https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-94-015-8263-6_... and cited references therein. A more recent variation on this theme can be found at: http://dx.doi.org/10.1021/ie020198r
srkirk commented on Ask HN: Boring but important tech no one is working on?    · Posted by u/sremani
srkirk · 3 years ago
Efficient extraction of metals (and materials that can be broken down to useful precursors) from landfills and 'e-waste'. My PhD supervisor worked for years before he retired, on, among other things, magnetic separation using inhomogeneous magnetic fields. It would be a great pity if such work were forgotten.
srkirk commented on Ask HN: Mailing list providers with global deliverability?    · Posted by u/srkirk
mdasen · 3 years ago
I have to agree with a bunch of what kxrm said. Email can be hard and I think paying for an MTA probably wouldn't work for a site that allows third-party users to send messages. Paid MTAs don't generally want to be sending mail that you're relaying on behalf of untrusted (or only semi-trusted) users.

I think Discourse might be something to look at (https://www.discourse.org). I don't know enough to really offer a great recommendation here, but they offer hosted/paid plans with a pretty good email limits. I think it would allow your users the ability to customize how they received emails and you can reply by email so it can keep the mailing-list-style feeling going. Plus, it's open-source so you could always self-host if you wanted. I think Jeff Atwood (Coding Horror), Sam Saffron, and Robin Ward are all pretty well-respected in the community.

Civilized Discourse Construction Kit, Inc. seems to be a company looking to make something nice in the world (rather than take it over). They make their money as a hosting company and what they host is open source. A lot of people are using Discourse so it wouldn't be blazing new trails. I don't know what your budget is or how many people you have on your mailing list and how much email volume there is, but their hosted prices seem pretty reasonable and they seem to be trying to create a nice business.

kxrm noted Google Groups, but one thing I'd bring up is whether Google Groups is accessible in China. It might be, but you did say "globally accessible" and it seems like there could be a decent likelihood that Google Groups could get blocked in China in the future (even if it's accessible today). I guess you also noted that not everyone has access to Google.

Discourse seems like something they could host, you could use your own subdomain, and could always choose to host it yourself. For some, they might enjoy the web interface. Others can probably just interact over email (again, I don't have a huge amount of experience with Discourse so you'd want to verify it works how you want it to). It seems like it would offer a nice blend of modernity while still offering and email-based flow for those that want that.

srkirk · 3 years ago
Hello mdasen, Thanks for your input. Self-hosting is pretty much what the owner (Jan Labanowski) has been doing so far, with all the accompanying problems noted by yourself and kxrm. I'm just a long-time CCL.net subscriber and not the owner. As my post here mentions, I'll grab the content of this thread in a while and repost back to the CCL.net mailing list.

u/srkirk

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