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spikder commented on Bing AI can't be trusted   dkb.blog/p/bing-ai-cant-b... · Posted by u/dbrereton
phire · 3 years ago
Sentient AIs in science fiction are always portrayed as being more-or-less infallible, at least when referencing their own knowledge banks.

Then ChatGPT comes along and starts producing responses good enough that people feel like almost sentient AI. And they suddenly start expecting it to share the infallibility that fictional AIs have always possessed.

But it's not a sentient AI. It's just a language model. Just a beefed up auto-correct. I'm very impressed just what capabilities a language model gets when you throw this many resources at it (like, it seems to be able to approximate logic and arithmetic to decent accuracy, which is unexpected).

Also... even if it was a sentient AI, why would it be infallible? Humans are sentient, and nobody ever accused us of being infallible.

spikder · 3 years ago
The lack of consistency is a big issue. It may well be able to organize your trip to mexico, but then it tells me that "the product of two primes must be prime because each factor is prime" ... how will one ever trust it? Moreover, how to use it?

If a Tesla can get you there with 1% human intervention, but that happens to be the 1% that would have killed you had you not intervened ... how do we interface with such systems?

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spikder commented on Bing AI can't be trusted   dkb.blog/p/bing-ai-cant-b... · Posted by u/dbrereton
jerf · 3 years ago
I have come to two conclusions about the GPT technologies after some weeks to chew on this:

1. We are so amazed by its ability to babble in a confident manner that we are asking it to do things that it should not be asked to do. GPT is basically the language portion of your brain. The language portion of your brain does not do logic. It does not do analyses. But if you built something very like it and asked it to try, it might give it a good go.

In its current state, you really shouldn't rely on it for anything. But people will, and as the complement of the Wile E. Coyote effect, I think we're going to see a lot of people not realize they've run off the cliff, crashed into several rocks on the way down, and have burst into flames, until after they do it several dozen times. Only then will they look back to realize what a cockup they've made depending on these GPT-line AIs.

To put it in code assistant terms, I expect people to be increasingly amazed at how well they seem to be coding, until you put the results together at scale and realize that while it kinda, sorta works, it is a new type of never-before-seen crap code that nobody can or will be able to debug short of throwing it away and starting over.

This is not because GPT is broken. It is because what it is is not correctly related to what we are asking it to do.

2. My second conclusion is that this hype train is going to crash and sour people quite badly on "AI", because of the pervasive belief I have seen even here on HN that this GPT line of AIs is AI. Many people believe that this is the beginning and the end of AI, that anything true of interacting with GPT is true of AIs in general, etc.

So people are going to be even more blindsided when someone develops an AI that uses GPT as its language comprehension component, but does this higher level stuff that we actually want sitting on top of it. Because in my opinion, it's pretty clear that GPT is producing an amazing level of comprehension of what a series of words means. The problem is, that's all it is really doing. This accomplishment should not be understated. It just happen to be the fact that we're basically abusing it in its current form.

What it's going to do as a part of an AI, rather than the whole thing, is going to be amazing. This is certainly one of the hard problems of building a "real AI" that is, at least to a first approximation, solved. Holy crap, what times we live in.

But we do not have this AI yet, even though we think we do.

spikder · 3 years ago
To add to your point, current technology does not even suggest if we will ever have such an AI. I personally doubt it. Some evidence: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entscheidungsproblem.

This is like trying to derive the laws of motion by having a computer analyze 1 billion clips of leaves fluttering in the wind.

spikder commented on Ask HN: Did anyone else lose their marbles?    · Posted by u/throoowwawaayy
peepee1982 · 3 years ago
No, it's not the same.

Action is good, but if the emotional state is too bad, you can't just act your way out of it. You'll just overreach and break down again. You have to metabolize your emotions. For example through grief and acceptance.

I've tried action and many other things for decades. What finally freed me was crying it out for a few weeks, and now I'm fine. Now I can take action to get out of a funk.

spikder · 3 years ago
i should be more careful with my comments then. such a wide spectrum of human experience. glad you're freed :)
spikder commented on Ask HN: Did anyone else lose their marbles?    · Posted by u/throoowwawaayy
peepee1982 · 3 years ago
It does sound like PTSD or CPTSD. You can treat this yourself with the right resources.

For starters, there are journaling practices for processing emotions. And then there are various kinds of meditations.

Then there is psychoeducation, which will - over time - help dealing with difficult emotions.

Notable authors and researchers in this field: Pete Walker, Bessel van der Kolk, Peter Levine, Arielle Schwartz.

spikder · 3 years ago
hmmmm .... PTSD? he's probably just in the same existential funk 90% of the rich world is in. action is the way out, whatever that means for you.
spikder commented on Ask HN: Did anyone else lose their marbles?    · Posted by u/throoowwawaayy
INTPenis · 3 years ago
>For me, it's a battle between "if I do something, someone's just gonna fuck it up anyway" and "I used to love this. I can still get excited by this, right?" I constantly find myself in a state of paralysis where I know what to do, I know how to do it, I even know how to do it quickly so it can be over and done, but I still just don't want to START anything.

This is a much better explanation of what I was trying to say, you nailed that. I'm not a native english-speaker so I struggle with the right wording.

The kids part probably stems from the classic midlife crisis feeling that I haven't accomplished anything, and I'm sure that contributed to my state. So I'm not too focused on that part really because I've lived my life so far, and chosen my partners so far, with the goal of not having kids.

No instead I'm trying to reason that I need to see more of the world and meet more amazing people. I met an amazing woman last summer who was a digital nomad, and following her around the world has given me the travel bug.

So I need to reason in my head and come to a logical conclusion of how best to facilitate unlimited travel, and for the moment that is to stay with my employer and at least put in enough effort that they continue to be happy with my work. And use my freedom to travel and meet people while I'm still young enough to enjoy myself.

I'm coming from a 20 year long career of over-achievement, overly loyal to my employers and staying up long nights nerding out on tasks. I need to make a big switch from that to more of the do the bare minimum necessary to keep them happy and focus on the life part of work/life balance a bit more.

spikder · 3 years ago
so maybe for you living == achieving? maybe takes this as a golden opportunity to reassess things. do something for you! that has no meaning, or purpose. just to do it. see what happens.
spikder commented on Ask HN: Did anyone else lose their marbles?    · Posted by u/throoowwawaayy
avgDev · 3 years ago
I feel this.

I am having a really hard time coping with parenting. I am logical person but my toddler is not. I like reading books and just silence which allows me to think. That is completely gone in our house now. It is mostly crying, screaming, followed by more crying. There are some beautiful moments that I will cherish, but I really have a hard time. Other times, we are asking to brush teeth, get ready for bed, get in the car, get inside, or do something else which is met with MASSIVE resistance.

I don't know how people have 3-4 kids. I would probably go insane.

spikder · 3 years ago
you wouldn't go insane. you would adjust. it gets easier.
spikder commented on Ask HN: Did anyone else lose their marbles?    · Posted by u/throoowwawaayy
INTPenis · 3 years ago
I've just become completely lethargic lately. And there's some sort of mental block stopping me from working. It's kinda insane because I can work on other stuff, but as soon as there's a simple task for my employer my mind just wanders off.

And when I really try to focus I just go blank in my head. Can't explain shit.

I'm trying to slowly get back on the pony just because I'm ashamed of all the salary I've collected for what little work I've been able to do.

Haven't done therapy lately but one thing that comes to mind is how futile everything is. I know it's a cliché but I'm almost 40 so this isn't your regular teenage angst "nothing matters", I thought I was past that.

It might be rooted in the fact that I don't have kids, I haven't found purpose yet. But the thoughts that come to mind is that this could all end tomorrow and wtf are we working for when we could be living?

spikder · 3 years ago
https://www.creativescreenwriting.com/write-vomit-draft-impo...

... once you're using your brain again, all these questions just melt away.

spikder commented on Ask HN: How do you test SQL?    · Posted by u/pcarolan
spikder · 3 years ago
I have done this more than once and it is great. Point django at your db, dump the models, and then use django's test framework.
spikder commented on A cab ride I'll never forget (1999)   kentnerburn.com/the-cab-r... · Posted by u/fileeditview
spikder · 3 years ago
it is so easy to forget we're in this together. it's nice to be reminded. peace and joy fellow travelers.

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