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sl-dolt commented on Show HN: Sortabase, a collaborative, visual database builder for communities   sortabase.com/... · Posted by u/Trayja-Peter
replwoacause · 3 years ago
What’s up with the name? A ‘dolt’ is a stupid person, at least in the English language.
sl-dolt · 3 years ago
We're trying to reclaim the word
sl-dolt commented on Show HN: Sortabase, a collaborative, visual database builder for communities   sortabase.com/... · Posted by u/Trayja-Peter
sl-dolt · 3 years ago
We're doing something a bit similar at DoltHub, where databases are managed with a GitHub like workflow, and where you get the pros and cons of that kind of system. Our hospital price database (work ongoing daily) is community built: https://www.dolthub.com/repositories/dolthub/transparency-in... (context: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NifwgKHBCeF35ZRZsfpgg4bE...)
sl-dolt commented on Mapping hospital accessibility with OpenStreetMap   wcedmisten.fyi/post/visua... · Posted by u/wcedmisten
wcedmisten · 3 years ago
Thanks! You're doing awesome work, I read the blog post about the insurance data mess you're working through.

I'll see if I can incorporate that into my project!

I'd love to see what this map looks like filtered for specific services.

sl-dolt · 3 years ago
> I'd love to see what this map looks like filtered for specific services.

Sure. I did something like that with our insurance data. Did a quick folium visualization. You can start from here:

https://www.dolthub.com/repositories/dolthub/hospital-prices...

A limitation of our dataset is it excludes percentage-based contracts. So those won't show up.

Anyways, if you have the hospital NPI you want, you can look up all of its dollar-amount negotiated rates in this table. You can link that to the `hospital` table, geocode however you want, and make a map of the different rates. Note, however, that the insurance data published here is kind of a mess and, I think, contains many many mistakes (originating in the source data.)

BTW, I'm not sure if this insurance-derived hospital data exists anywhere else. I believe it doesn't.

sl-dolt commented on Mapping hospital accessibility with OpenStreetMap   wcedmisten.fyi/post/visua... · Posted by u/wcedmisten
sl-dolt · 3 years ago
That's really cool. I'll probably end up trying to reproduce this by following your work step-by-step. I'm not too familiar with OSM, besides having used Nominatim.

Along the same lines we're crowdsourcing a database of hospital prices, starting this week. I'm reviewing our first pull request as we speak. You can follow our progress live. The data is here: https://www.dolthub.com/repositories/dolthub/standard-charge...

We talked a little about the problems we're encountering here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uMx1sUYwP_uE7ebd3PtGvF0t... and here https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NifwgKHBCeF35ZRZsfpgg4bE...

sl-dolt commented on New health insurance “transparency data” looks suspiciously wrong   dolthub.com/blog/2023-03-... · Posted by u/sl-dolt
newjersey · 3 years ago
We should compel these companies to comply.

There should be fine a 1% of annual revenue for every day these companies are in non compliance with prison for the ceo if they are non compliant for over thirty days.

sl-dolt · 3 years ago
Author here. The problem is checking compliance. By publishing these files, they seem compliant, but really aren't. Since the payors are the guardians of the data, it's very difficult to check that what they're posting is correct. That was the main thrust of the article.
sl-dolt commented on New health insurance “transparency data” looks suspiciously wrong   dolthub.com/blog/2023-03-... · Posted by u/sl-dolt
Spivak · 3 years ago
This could have been much much easier if they just required the medical equivalent of certificate transparency. Every insurance company is required to post publicly every single claim they receive, the full information of the provider(s), the name/code of the plan, the billing codes, whether it was approved or denied, how much the insurance was billed, and how much insurance actually paid (where paid doesn't mean discount, it means the literal dollars that left the insurance company's bank account), and the "patient responsibility" along with where the patient was with regards to their deductible and oopm. Every medical provider is required to do the same every time they create a bill.

Fine, "you don't know" how much things will cost. We can figure it out for you. No thoughts, head empty, just post and sign every bill you generate as it comes.

sl-dolt · 3 years ago
Completely agree. There are databases like this out there (All-Payer-Claims database) but they're extremely expensive (it would cost millions to get data for the entire US) and I have no idea why.
sl-dolt commented on New health insurance “transparency data” looks suspiciously wrong   dolthub.com/blog/2023-03-... · Posted by u/sl-dolt
ElijahLynn · 3 years ago
This paragraph is missing the link at the end:

At DoltHub, where we build databases like codebases, we're running a data bounty, collecting rates for popular medical procedures for all US hospitals. Then we'll release the data under CC. Find out more here.

sl-dolt · 3 years ago
Thanks. Will fix that.
sl-dolt commented on New health insurance “transparency data” looks suspiciously wrong   dolthub.com/blog/2023-03-... · Posted by u/sl-dolt
aintgonnatakeit · 3 years ago
Let’s do wrist x-ray and keep it simple. I’m sure I’ll mess up the formatting here.

When you get an x-ray, you would expect to see 3 claims (again, simplifying).

—— One is the x-ray tech taking the picture. That gets a professional claim with a CPT code and is straightforward.

—- One is the interpretation by a radiologist of the imaging. That is a professional claim with a CPT and a modifier.

—- The last depends on the place of service. If it’s in a hospital, or at an outpatient facility, or at an ASC, then you get a facility claim to go with it.

Next, under what circumstances did the x-ray occur? Was it during an inpatient stay? If so, the payor might pay based on a DRG, which is basically a bundle of all the services that occur during the stay. How do you decide how much of the cost to allocate to the various parts of the x-ray? There are more variations on this.

Next, how are the providers contracted? Are they participating providers? Par vs non-par have different payment rates.

Next, was the service in-network or out-of-network, defined by the patient’s insurance benefits?

Does the patient’s PCP participate in a capitated arrangement (fixed fee to the PCP’s office per month)? If so, what is the allocated cost for the service based on the submitted encounter?

What about fees for network rental? Sorry, this one is esoteric, but it’s another factor.

And so forth and so on. It’s a mess.

sl-dolt · 3 years ago
I'm the author. When I write articles I have to make a choice: make them readable by the public, or detailed enough to satisfy the experts. I try to strike a balance, but I can't have both.

Please take a look at the CMS Price Transparency Guide https://github.com/CMSgov/price-transparency-guide and familiarize yourself with the schema. You can also take a look at the federal ruling: https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-45/subtitle-A/subchapter-...

The metadata you're talking about is specified in the files themselves. I've limited my search to fee-for-service (non-capitated, non-derived, non-bundled) institutional claims.

You can write to me if you have more questions. alec@dolthub.com

u/sl-dolt

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