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schwartzworld commented on I Am An AI Hater   anthonymoser.github.io/wr... · Posted by u/BallsInIt
myhf · 17 hours ago
> the useful things it does

It's weird how AI-lovers are always trying to shoehorn an unsupported "it does useful things" into some kind of criticism sandwich where only the solvable problems can be acknowledged as problems.

Just because some technologies have both upsides and downsides doesn't mean that every technology automatically has upsides. GenAI is good at generating these kinds of hollow statements that mimic the form of substantial arguments, but anyone who actually reads it can see how hollow it is.

If you want to argue that it does useful things, you have to explain at least one of those things.

schwartzworld · 16 hours ago
It's bad at

- Actually knowing things / being correct - Creating anything original

It's good at

- Producing convincing output fast and cheap

There are lots of applications where correctness and originality matter less than "can I get convincing output fast and cheap". Other commenters have mentioned being able to vibe-code up a simple app, for example. I know an older man who is not great at writing in English (but otherwise very intelligent) who uses it for correspondence.

schwartzworld commented on I Am An AI Hater   anthonymoser.github.io/wr... · Posted by u/BallsInIt
dpoloncsak · 17 hours ago
> Critics have already written thoroughly about the environmental harms, the reinforcement of bias and generation of racist output, the cognitive harms and AI supported suicides, the problems with consent and copyright...

This paragraph really pisses me off and I'm not sure why.

> Critics have already written thoroughly about the environmental harms

Didn't google just prove there is little to no environmental harm, INCLUDING if you account for training?

> the reinforcement of bias and generation of racist output

Im uneducated here, honestly. I don't ask a lot of race-based questions to my LLMS I guess

>the cognitive harms and AI supported suicides

There is constant active rhetoric around the sycophancy, and ways to reduce this, right? OpenAI just made a new benchmark specifically for this. I won't deny it's an issue but to act like it's being ignored by the industry is a miss completely.

>the problems with consent and copyright

This is the best argument on the page imo, and even that is highly debated. I agree with "AI is performing copyright infringement" and see constant "AI ignores my robots.txt". I also grew up being told that ANYTHING on the internet was for the public, and copyright never stopped *me* from saving images or pirating movies.

Then the rest touches on ways people will feel about or use AI, which is obviously just as much conjecture as anything else on the topic. I can't speak for everyone else, and neither can anyone else.

schwartzworld · 17 hours ago
> Didn't google just prove there is little to no environmental harm

I'd be interested to see that report as I'm not able to find it by Googling, ironically. Even so, this goes against pretty much all the rest of the reporting on the subject, AND Google has financial incentive to push AI, so skepticism is warranted.

> I don't ask a lot of race-based questions to my LLMS I guess

The reality is that more and more decision making is getting turned over to AIs. Racism doesn't have to just be n-words and maga hats. For example, this article talks about how overpoliced neighborhoods trigger positive feedback loops in predictive AIs https://www.ohchr.org/en/stories/2024/07/racism-and-ai-bias-...

> Copyright never stopped me from saving images or pirating movies.

I think we could all agree that right-clicking a copyrighted image and saving it is pretty harmless. Less harmless is trying to pass that image off as something you created and profiting from it. If I use AI to write a blog post, and that post contains plagiarism, and I profit off that plagiarism, it's not harmless at all.

> I also grew up being told that ANYTHING on the internet was for the public

Who told you that? How sure are you they are right?

Copilot has been shown to include private repos in its training data. ChatGPT will happily provide you with information that came from textbooks. I personally had SunoAI spit out a song that whose lyrics were just Livin' On A Prayer with a couple of words changed.

We can talk about the ethical implications of the existence of copyright and whether or not it _should_ exist, but the fact is that it does exist. Taking someone else's work and passing it off as your own without giving credit or permission is not permitted.

schwartzworld commented on Where is the exponential growth part of AI?    · Posted by u/anon191928
gardenhedge · 5 days ago
I've replaced 80% of searching by asking LLMs. The LLM product generally does a search for you and then gives you the info.
schwartzworld · 3 days ago
Inserting the LLM into the process exponentially increases the energy expenditure, and it may be confidently wrong in its analysis of the results. What is the upside? Do you just want a chat interface on everything?
schwartzworld commented on Control shopping cart wheels with your phone (2021)   begaydocrime.com/... · Posted by u/mystraline
Freak_NL · 6 days ago
What makes this such a localised phenomenon? Locking shopping cart wheels just aren't a thing here in the Netherlands (or neighbouring countries). It used to be that most required a €1 coin inserted to unlock its link tethering it to the next car in the row, but then covid happened and a lot of shops simply disabled those locks and concluded that the system worked better without — probably driven in part by an increasing number of people who don't carry any cash.

Losing a cart is expensive, but it doesn't seem to happen at the scale that would make a full blown locking wheel solution cost effective.

schwartzworld · 6 days ago
Using a 1 pound coin is basically saying “it costs a pound to take this and not bring it back.” It works for lazy returners, but makes blatant theft quite easy.
schwartzworld commented on Where is the exponential growth part of AI?    · Posted by u/anon191928
m463 · 7 days ago
I think of early voice recognition

at first everyone was going to talk to their computer

and there were programs that would let you do just that!

and then it all fizzled

except it didn't. Phone trees quietly started to use voice recognition, and some devices used it, and now it is pretty commonplace.... but it seeped into place, not a giant wave.

Funny thing - lots of computers are losing their jobs to AI. I think it has replaced search quite quickly.

and new computer jobs are being created. The AI summaries of amazon product reviews are pretty good.

schwartzworld · 7 days ago
> I think it has replaced search quite quickly.

I really don't get this one. Between the ludicrous energy waste and answers that are confidently wrong, I don't see why anybody would prefer to get their information from am LLM.

Voice recognition is an apt example though. It has it's place, like texting my wife from the car without having to look at my phone, and it's obviously a boon to accessibility, but I wouldn't want to have it needlessly jammed into every workflow. I don't get people's willingness to place so much trust in a statistical language model that does a pretty good job of pretending to know things.

schwartzworld commented on How to teach your kids to play poker: Start with one card   bloomberg.com/news/articl... · Posted by u/ioblomov
orwin · 16 days ago
I think you have a middle point between no-information and full-information, and poker isn't that.

My issue with poker is the money component, especially in cash games (I don't mind it in MTT): I think it's manipulative, basically using dopamine highs to make the game seem more interesting.

schwartzworld · 16 days ago
It might depend a little on the poker variant. Holdem (the most popular variant) uses shared cards, which gives you a fair amount of information.
schwartzworld commented on How to teach your kids to play poker: Start with one card   bloomberg.com/news/articl... · Posted by u/ioblomov
sans_souse · 16 days ago
I'm surprised at the general tone of response here towards the subject of poker overall (I didn't read the article yet so perhaps something more is in the context, but all the same); I understand there are many in the poker world even regarding the most successful of whom are regarded as living a degenerate lifestyle, but being that I was previously in that world myself and was not a degenerate type; I never gambled outside of "my game" that I had an edge in, I learned and implemented proper bankroll management and I studied the game on fundamental levels and on up, progressing into the meta-psyche game that is NL heads-up.

Which brings me to my point which is that while some forms of poker have proven "beatable" by ai, certain forms ie; short-handed tables of NL Holdem, increase in perpexlity to a point where, in heads-up, there are too many variables at play both "physically" (the cards and corresponding hand ranks) and metaphysically (the story being implied thru the route of actions taken at each street from preflop, flop, turn, to river) for there to exist some perfect approach against a skilled player.

NL Holdem poker is absolutely a game of skill with an element of variance aka luck/lack-there-of.

schwartzworld · 16 days ago
> NL Holdem poker is absolutely a game of skill with an element of variance aka luck/lack-there-of.

I’ve played a lot of Holdem, and I’m not sure I agree. A lot of what passes for skill is just an innate understanding of the odds.

John Scarne writes about gambling that a good bet isn’t one you are likely to win, but one where the payout is enough to be worth the risk. The best players know the odds of pulling a straight and can do math to figure out if it’s worth chasing one.

schwartzworld commented on Debounce   developer.mozilla.org/en-... · Posted by u/aanthonymax
ndriscoll · 21 days ago
Why would e.g. saving after each keypress be janky from the UI perspective? These days disks can complete a write in 20 us. If you're typing at 0.1 seconds/character, you're going 5,000 times slower than the computer is capable of. If you have a 60 Hz monitor, it can block saving your work every frame and still be 99.9% idle. Even if you're making network requests each time, if the request finishes in 20 ms, you're still done 80 ms before the user presses the next button.
schwartzworld · 21 days ago
Local storage is a poor example because it updates in the background and wouldn’t necessarily change your UI much. But if a design calls for a search to be made while a user types that would get janky fast.

React in particular is data driven so in the above example, if you make the api call on each keypress, and save it into state or whatever, the UI will update automatically. I can type 70 words per minute. Nobody wants the search results to update that fast. (Should we be building searches that work this way? Often you have no choice.) A slow network + a short search string + a not top of the line device like a cheap phone means a really janky experience. And even if it’s not janky, its a waste of your users bandwidth (not everybody has unlimited) and an unnecessary drain on your server resources.

Even though we say “update as the user types” people type in bursts. There’s no reason not to debounce it, and if you can make the debounce function composable, you can reuse it all over the place. It’s a courtesy to the users and a good practice.

schwartzworld commented on Debounce   developer.mozilla.org/en-... · Posted by u/aanthonymax
account42 · 21 days ago
> 250ms is still going to feel very snappy

WTF no it won't.

schwartzworld · 21 days ago
For the kind of behaviors they are describing it would. An extra 250ms waiting for an app to load is a lot, but for something like the described autosave behavior, waiting for a 250ms pause in typing before autosaving or making a fetch call is pretty snappy.
schwartzworld commented on 303Gen – 303 acid loops generator   303-gen-06a668.netlify.ap... · Posted by u/ankitg12
schwartzworld · 22 days ago
This is great and will be an excellent source of samples

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