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runako commented on I Don't Have Spotify   idonthavespotify.sjdonado... · Posted by u/ohjeez
bigstrat2003 · an hour ago
Bandcamp has a wider selection than you'd think. I've been pleasantly surprised at how often I will find an artist who sells music there. Qobuz is good too, I use them both.
runako · 19 minutes ago
I feel like I'm missing something, too. I just went there and searched for some very large artists (pulling from a Wikipedia article on best-selling artists of all time). Every single one was a fake profile, with no actual music by the artist.

Is there a normie search mode, or is this to be expected?

runako commented on Use One Big Server (2022)   specbranch.com/posts/one-... · Posted by u/antov825
Demiurge · an hour ago
I think its the other way around. I am huge fan of hetzner for small sites with a few users. However, for bigger projects, cloud seems like complete lack of constraints. For projects that can pay for my time, $200/m or $2000/m in hosting costs, is a negligable difference.

Development cost difference between AWS CDK / Terraform + GitHub Actions vs Docker / K8s / Ansible + any CI pipeline? I don't know, I really don't see how "bare metal" saves any engineering time. I also don't see anything complicated about using IaC Fargate + RDS template.

Now, if you actually need to decouple your file storage, and make that durable, and scalable. Or need to dynamically create subdomains, or any number of other things... The effort of learning and integrated a different dedicated services at the infrastructure level to run all this seems much more constraining.

I've been doing it since before the "Cloud", and I have to say, if you have a project that makes money, cloud costs are absolutely a worthwhile investment that will be the last thing that constrains your project. If the cloud costs are too constraining for your project, then perhaps your project is more of a hobby, and not a business.

Just thinking about maintaining multiple cluster filesystems, and disk arrays, it's just not what I would want to be doing with most companies resources, or my time. Maybe it's the difference between people who want to use an Arch, and setup emacs just right, but I'm happy with a MacBook. If I feel like changing my kernel scheduler was a constraint, I would probably also recommend Arch, but otherwise, I recommend a MacBook :)

On the flip side, I have also tried to turn a startup idea into a profitable project, with no budget, and raw throughput integral to the idea. In that situation, a dedicated server was absolutely the right choice, saving us thousands of dollars. But, the idea did not pan out. If we did get more traction, I suspect we have just vertically scaled for a while. But, it’s unusual.

runako · 35 minutes ago
> I really don't see how "bare metal" saves any engineering time

This is because you are looking only at provisioning/deployment. And you are right -- node size does not impact DevOps all that much.

I am looking at the solution space available to the engineers who write the software that ultimately gets deployed on the nodes. And that solution space is different when the nodes have 10x the capability. Yes, cloud providers have tons of aggregate capability. But designing software to run on a fleet of small machines is very different from accomplishing the same tasks on a single large machine.

It would not be controversial to suggest that targeting code at an Apple Watch or Raspberry Pi imposes constraints on developers that do not exist when targeting desktops. I am saying the same dynamic now applies to targeting cloud providers.

This isn't to say there's a single best solution for everything. But there are tradeoffs that are now always apparent. The art is knowing when it makes sense to pay the Cloud Tax, and whether to go 100% Cloud vs some proportion of dedicated.

runako commented on Use One Big Server (2022)   specbranch.com/posts/one-... · Posted by u/antov825
runako · 2 hours ago
One of the more detrimental aspects of the Cloud Tax is that it constrains the types of solutions engineers even consider.

Picking an arbitrary price point of $200/mo, you can get 4(!) vCPUs and 16GB of RAM at AWS. Architectures are different etc., but this is roughly a mid-spec dev laptop of 5 or so years ago.

At Hetzner, you can rent a machine with 48 cores and 128GB of RAM for the same money. It's hard to overstate how far apart these machines are in raw computational capacity.

There are approaches to problems that make sense with 10x the capacity that don't make sense on the much smaller node. Critically, those approaches can sometimes save engineering time that would otherwise go into building a more complex system to manage around artificial constraints.

Yes, there are other factors like durability etc. that need to be designed for. But going the other way, dedicated boxes can deliver more consistent performance without worries of noisy neighbors.

runako commented on Are OpenAI and Anthropic losing money on inference?   martinalderson.com/posts/... · Posted by u/martinald
Romario77 · 3 days ago
I don't think it's the case if you take inflation into account.

You could see here: https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/16dr1kb/oc...

new ones are generally cheaper if adjusted for inflation. This is a sale price, but assuming that margins stay the same it should reflect the manufacturing price. And from what I remember about apple earnings their margins increased over time, so it means the new phones are even cheaper. Which kind of makes sense.

runako · 3 days ago
I should have addressed this. This thread is about the capital costs of getting to the first sale, so that's model training for an LLM vs all the R&D in an iPhone.

Recent iPhones use Apple's own custom silicon for a number of components, and are generally vastly more complex. The estimates I have seen for iPhone 1 development range from $150 million to $2.5 billion. Even adjusting for inflation, a current iPhone generation costs more than the older versions.

And it absolutely makes sense for Apple to spend more in total to develop successive generations, because they have less overall product risk and larger scale to recoup.

runako commented on AI adoption linked to 13% decline in jobs for young U.S. workers: study   cnbc.com/2025/08/28/gener... · Posted by u/pseudolus
pipes · 3 days ago
Where is the evidence for this? Who is "applying pressure on the labour market"?
runako · 3 days ago
Every executive publicly saying obviously* false things like X job will be done by AI in 18 months is putting downward pressure on the labor market. The pressure is essentially peer pressure among executives: are we stupid for continuing to hire engineers instead of handing our engineering budget to Anthropic?

* - Someone should maintain a walkback list to track these. I believe recent additions are Amodei of Anthropic and the CEOs of AWS and Salesforce. (Benioff of Salesforce, in February: "We're not going to hire any new engineers this year." Their careers page shows a pivot from that position.)

runako commented on Are OpenAI and Anthropic losing money on inference?   martinalderson.com/posts/... · Posted by u/martinald
oblio · 3 days ago
> I imagine they know this and bet on AGI primacy.

Just like Uber and Tesla are betting on self driving cars. I think it's been 10 years now ("any minute now").

runako · 3 days ago
Notably, Uber switched horses and now runs Waymos with no human drivers.
runako commented on Are OpenAI and Anthropic losing money on inference?   martinalderson.com/posts/... · Posted by u/martinald
renjimen · 3 days ago
But new models to date have cost more than the previous ones to create, often by an order of magnitude, so the shoe metaphor falls apart.

A better metaphor would be oil and gas production, where existing oil and gas fields are either already finished (i.e. model is no longer SOTA -- no longer making a return on investment) or currently producing (SOTA inference -- making a return on investment). The key similarity with AI is new oil and gas fields are increasingly expensive to bring online because they are harder to make economical than the first ones we stumbled across bubbling up in the desert, and that's even with technological innovation. That is to say, the low hanging fruit is long gone.

runako · 3 days ago
> new models to date have cost more than the previous ones to create

This largely was the case in software in the '80s-'10s (when versions largely disappeared) and still is the case in hardware. iPhone 17 will certainly cost far more to develop than did iPhone 10 or 5. iPhone 5 cost far more than 3G, etc.

runako commented on We regret but have to temporary suspend the shipments to USA   olimex.wordpress.com/2025... · Posted by u/CTOSian
chrisco255 · 5 days ago
Quite simply: de minimis import rules make no sense, they are inevitably abused by China in particular to import billions in untaxed goods. No foreign country has a right to sell things in America. China and EU and others impose their own arbitrary redtrictions and taxes on imports but for some reason if America does it, it gets worldwide press because for the longest time, it was just open season as we drained out manufacturing and gutted the base that built America in the first place.

We have laws on the books and they have to be enforced equally, whether you're shipping in entire containers or thousands of small direct mail packages.

runako · 5 days ago
> No foreign country has a right to sell things in America

Flipping this around: this is a limit on the rights of American citizens to purchase things from around the world. My argument is it's best for policy to center the rights of American citizens vs trying to curtail the rights of people who do not even live here.

runako commented on We regret but have to temporary suspend the shipments to USA   olimex.wordpress.com/2025... · Posted by u/CTOSian
shafoshaf · 5 days ago
To be fair, China has been widely abusing the <$800 rule for a number of years. And it really wasn't not helping either economy. Temu routinely employs forced labor and worse to give those super low prices that US companies can't compete with. https://youtu.be/quGoGgbP-aE?si=FL8pgTssEwn5qEvS&t=387
runako · 5 days ago
US companies also have access to locally-sourced forced labor:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Prison_Industries

There must be some other reason Temu is able to sell goods at lower prices, especially now that China is not a particularly low-wage country.

runako commented on We regret but have to temporary suspend the shipments to USA   olimex.wordpress.com/2025... · Posted by u/CTOSian
thisisit · 5 days ago
Repeating my comment. That is not how this works.

Governments ask for something like a metal spectrometer analysis of components. They might even say each batch needs to be analyzed and we trust analysis from spectrometers manufactured and/or operated in US. Each condition raising the price for certificate/analysis even more.

Or directly from the post

> U.S. customs is demanding a Certificate of Analysis (which could cost thousands of dollars and to determine what exact amount of Aluminum, Copper and Steel are in the product), otherwise they assume the entire PCB consists of copper, aluminum, and steel, and charge a 100% tariff on the whole product.

runako · 5 days ago
Do they have to do this each time they change the composition of the board? What about if they just move/change the layout of the copper traces?

u/runako

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