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rsgrn commented on Ask HN: Does privacy and data protection law apply to the inside of your home?    · Posted by u/rsgrn
lmkg · 4 years ago
This situation is covered by GDPR. GDPR has a "household activities" exemption, which does not apply here because it's the business activity of your landlord. The data is certainly personal data because it's connected to you (even if indirectly, via your apartment number).

Per GDPR, they have an obligation to inform you what data is being collected and for what purpose (Article 14). If they only mention damage photographs, then any photographs that aren't about damage would have been collected unlawfully and you can request they be deleted (Article 17, in particular part 1-d). You also have the right to receive a copy of all data about you (Article 15), and I doubt that any of the usual exceptions apply to this case.

While you can infer so-called Special Category data (sex, sexuality, health conditions), I'm not sure it technically counts as Special Category data on its own. However the inferability of Special Category data should have been part of the consideration of whether this data collection is acceptable.

If the data is transferred to a cloud service, they are obligated to inform you. If this transfer is international, they are obligated to inform you what is the legal basis for the international transfer (but not the actual destination country). If they have told you neither, they are only compliant if the data is entirely on-device or on-premise.

You can file a complaint with ICO, the regulator for the UK.

rsgrn · 4 years ago
Thank you for the breakdown, this was my understanding having done some basic GDPR training. I'm aware of the regulator. I've nicely asked questions for now, to see what the answers are.
rsgrn commented on Ask HN: Does privacy and data protection law apply to the inside of your home?    · Posted by u/rsgrn
heywherelogingo · 4 years ago
Move. You should not be tolerating such behaviour, nor should you be condoning/encouraging it.
rsgrn · 4 years ago
I don't disagree.
rsgrn commented on Ask HN: Does privacy and data protection law apply to the inside of your home?    · Posted by u/rsgrn
ckastner · 4 years ago
You're asking the wrong question. It's not up to you to prove the unlawfulness, it's up to them to prove the lawfulness (which is clearly not given if the contract expressly mentions only damage photographs).

The next time this happens, simply tell them that they have no right to photograph beyond what was agreed, and instruct them to cease immediately. If they feel differently, it is up to them to demonstrate on what grounds they may photograph.

rsgrn · 4 years ago
I've asked questions to see what grounds they believe they are using.
rsgrn commented on Ask HN: Does privacy and data protection law apply to the inside of your home?    · Posted by u/rsgrn
jarofgreen · 4 years ago
Firstly England and Scotland have different laws so you need to be more specific about where you live.

Secondly I would advise contacting a helpline and asking them - Shelter or citizens advice bureau.

rsgrn · 4 years ago
It's England. Edited post.
rsgrn commented on Ask HN: Does privacy and data protection law apply to the inside of your home?    · Posted by u/rsgrn
tristor · 4 years ago
Even if it's legal I wouldn't put up with that, and something that extreme would need to be detailed thoroughly in the lease agreement. If it's not, you didn't agree to it, and I'd be telling them to leave or you'll be calling the police to have them arrested for trespassing. Then I'd be moving ASAP and suing them for breach of contract and a return of previous rents.

Generally, at least in the US (every state differs slightly) a landlord or their agent can enter your apartment only in an emergency circumstance or with your explicit permission after requesting. The only time they'd take photos is after you've moved out to photograph damages for evidence if they with hold any part of your deposit. Your landlord should not be snooping around your house every 90 days, that's ridiculous. In the US, it's common to change the locks on the door after renting and then turning in the new keys when you leave.

rsgrn · 4 years ago
I would like to not put up with it, hence asking questions to see if they actually understand what they are doing...

It is also during period inspection, so they have asked to attend and it has been agreed.

rsgrn commented on Ask HN: Does privacy and data protection law apply to the inside of your home?    · Posted by u/rsgrn
barbarbar · 4 years ago
I am speechless. It is outright insane. I can not see how this can be legal? Though I have zero knowledge of UK laws (living in Scandinavia). I have previously rented an apartment for 15 years. With one inspection at the end of the rent. And that inspection was after I had moved out.
rsgrn · 4 years ago
It's quite insane to me to, hence the curiosity.
rsgrn commented on Ask HN: Does privacy and data protection law apply to the inside of your home?    · Posted by u/rsgrn
foreigner · 4 years ago
Pretty sure this is standard practice in England. All of my estate agents have done it too. I assumed the purpose was to prove to the landlord that they actually checked for damage in each room?
rsgrn · 4 years ago
This is my personal understanding, that it is to prove to the landlord that they did the inspection.

However, isn't that their problem, not mine? Are they really using people's data to prove their business obligations?

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secondcoming · 4 years ago
How is running for election, and then being elected, considered 'failing upwards'?
rsgrn · 4 years ago
The people that won those elections are poor performers, bad strategists and often abdicate their responsibilities as leaders. If they were born poorer or lower class, they would not be where they are now.

They win elections with media support, even when taking opposite stances day to day because the people that own and run those media companies... Went to school with them.

It's like a big club, and most of us ain't in it.

But if you are in it, you can be stupid, lazy, incompetent or even outright evil and still succeed, aka, fail upwards.

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saiya-jin · 4 years ago
> To use your car less is OFTEN an available choice.

Only to wealthy privileged people who can discuss their first-world problems on forums like this. As folks get poorer on the scale the more a car becomes an unavoidable necessity for many.

I applaud to your personal choices and sacrifices, but please don't make it sound like everybody can and should make the same/similar ones.

Most of us here have/want kids. I say something very opposite to what you say - folks here, please have kids! Not many, but take your time and raise them properly. It basically means sacrificing large portion of your life to them, without a guarantee they will even appreciate it. Which is fine, that shouldn't be the motivation for it anyway.

You who are reading this, are a part of smart elite in this world, whenever you are, and can raise next generation of elite with disproportionally large amount of decisive powers in their hands.

Why, you may ask? Raise them well so they are balanced happy individual with clear drive to help make this world a better place, and they may very well become next leaders, business captains, politicians, or just good citizens helping those around them, environment, mankind.

Now imagine what kind of world would that kind of attitude bring. Don't just minimize your 'bad' footprint on this existence, try creating more of the positive one.

rsgrn · 4 years ago
I live in a small non wealthy town in the UK, it's five miles across and everything is accessible without cars.

My neighbor has five to seven cars on their driveway. To let others out they start them all and play musical cars. Two of them drive to jobs less than two miles away. They use them for practically every trip over 200 metres. Their extended family visit every weekend, in separate cars and all live within five miles.

My other neighbors have three cars for two people, including a pickup truck. Again, they drive literally everywhere. Even walking distance.

Many of the young people here drive terrible modded cars up and down all day for no actual purpose than vanity.

If you tried to have to have a conversation with these people about their car use, they would claim it's their right and that they "pay for it". Yet what they pay is < 10% of the damage they cause.

Obviously, if you are remote, or have a disability or need to carry a heavy load you should probably use a car.

But many people think it's literally their God given right to drive a dangerous metal box, badly, burning irreplaceable oil, spraying pollution, noise pollution and brake dust literally straight into your home.

Every single car journal under 10 miles should be excessively taxed, with extreme taxes for trips under three miles. You should literally be forced to think twice, then twice again.

All of these people are literally saying: "Fuck other people's health, their sanity, their happiness, their time, their environment, the environment as a whole. Me drive metal box"

The entitlement of drivers is literally staggering.

u/rsgrn

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