ristlane (u/ristlane)

ristlane commented on The pro-Israel information war jackpoulson.substack.com/... · Posted by u/anigbrowl

dontlaugh · 2 years ago

The end result is up to the Palestinian people. All demand right of return and ending apartheid. Some want that done through the abolishing of Israel entirely, others through land swaps that allow two states to exist. What actually happens will depend on the relative balance of forces at the time.

ristlane · 2 years ago

The end result isn’t actually up to the Palestinian people because their power is limited. They have the freedom to make choices within limits.

I recommend optimizing for prosperity in the presence of Israel. That would be a very good choice. It’s possible to thrive, as an individual and as a people, if you stay focused on that.

I love the Palestinian people and want them to thrive. The best way to accomplish that is to love God and to love your neighbor.

Broadly speaking, the Jewish people like to be lawful (according to their own conception of the law). It’s possible to work with that system and to be successful.

People often say “It’s complicated” or “It’s intractable.” I don’t believe that at all. It’s only intractable if you dig in your heels.

Perfection doesn’t exist this side of heaven, but it is possible to live and to be happy.

ristlane commented on The pro-Israel information war jackpoulson.substack.com/... · Posted by u/anigbrowl

sudosysgen · 2 years ago

Why is Israel settling the West Bank and refusing to make peace with Fatah and the PA? There's no Hamas in power there but Israel has refused to stop violently removing people from their land on the basis of their ethnicity.

ristlane · 2 years ago

The West Bank settlements are illegal. It’s happening because of capitalism and the extreme power imbalance. I don’t think those settlements are a Zionist thing.

If we had a sovereign nation of Palestine, there wouldn’t be settlements in the West Bank. The world wouldn’t allow it.

The trouble is that the Palestinian leadership didn’t accept any offer of an independent Palestine. They want Israel to not exist.

If I recall correctly, unlike the formation of Israel, the West Bank settlements didn’t relocate anyone. I could be wrong?

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krapp · 2 years ago

It's weird that they're killing so many civilians then, isn't it?

ristlane · 2 years ago

No, it’s exactly what I’d expect. It’s not what I want to see, but it’s happening.

ristlane commented on The pro-Israel information war jackpoulson.substack.com/... · Posted by u/anigbrowl

sinistersnare · 2 years ago

MLK Jr. has a lot to say to disagree with you.

https://letterfromjail.com/

> over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”;

just because missiles do not fly, does not mean there is a positive peace.

ristlane · 2 years ago

I don’t think you’re claiming that when MLK said “direct action”, he meant things like launching missiles, killing & raping, etc. I don’t think you believe that.

ristlane commented on The pro-Israel information war jackpoulson.substack.com/... · Posted by u/anigbrowl

dontlaugh · 2 years ago

Hamas will only end along with the Zionist occupation.

ristlane · 2 years ago

To be clear, you mean the entire nation of Israel, correct?

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krapp · 2 years ago

It's the same standard the entire world held the US to after 9/11. A response to the attacks by Al-Qaeda was justified, the 20 year "Crusade" across the Middle East was not. A response by Israel against Hamas terrorism is justified - a campaign of extermination and genocide is not.

It isn't even a high standard, "don't commit genocide" has been the bare minimum requirement for any modern country, much less democracy, for nearly a century. It would be antisemitic to believe that Israel is uniquely incapable of meeting that minimum standard.

ristlane · 2 years ago

I don’t believe that the IDF wants to kill Gazan civilians.

ristlane commented on The pro-Israel information war jackpoulson.substack.com/... · Posted by u/anigbrowl

ajb · 2 years ago

This is true but not the whole story. If Hamas were dug in under an Israeli school or hospital, would it similarly by okay to treat civilian deaths as 'just Hamas fault'? Obviously not. The problem here has that the situation is between a war and a policing situation. Gaza is not a state, but it is not a suburb of Israel either. So who is responsible for the safety of Palestinian civilians?

ristlane · 2 years ago

If Hamas were entrenched under an Israeli school or hospital, the civilians would vacate the area so the IDF could take care of it.

In Gaza, Hamas may be preventing civilians from leaving (but I’m not there to verify). It would help to have civilian corridors into the south and into Egypt, but again that’s not in the best interests of Hamas.

I’d like the IDF to do their best. They are indeed responsible for trying not to kill civilians. There’s only so much they can do, short of a so-called “ceasefire”.

ristlane commented on The pro-Israel information war jackpoulson.substack.com/... · Posted by u/anigbrowl

Scubabear68 · 2 years ago

I’m not holding them to a higher standard.

Imagine if you will someone going to start large scale bombing NYC. Or London. Or Rome.

The Hamas attack was unprecedented and horrific. I don’t know that it justifies declaring all out war on and entire city.

I can say that without being anti-Semitic.

ristlane · 2 years ago

Hamas is hiding among civilians. I don’t want innocent people to be hurt, but their use of human shields is simply the standard playbook in this type of warfare. Hamas rationally wants Gazan civilians to be nearby and indistinguishable from combatants.

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hypeit · 2 years ago

If I'm ever fired for taking a pro-Palestinian stance, I will spend the rest of my life suing everyone involved. The capital community has crossed so many lines in their witch hunt for pro-Palestinan voices that it's not even funny. Our industry has reached a breaking point and I'm not sure what's going to happen since most of the VCs are extremely pro-Zionism and a huge portion of people under the age of 45 are pro-Palestinian, including most engineers and tech people I know.

ristlane · 2 years ago

I’m very pro-Palestinian. That’s yet another reason why I want Hamas gone. There’s no chance for social justice while terrorists are running the show.