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philpem commented on I had to take down my course-swapping site or be expelled   linkedin.com/posts/jdkaim... · Posted by u/jdkaim
greatgib · a year ago
If you manage to have them tell you that in an email that will be the jackpot for you.
philpem · a year ago
Confirmation emails are great for this.

"I was wondering if you could go over the details of the resolution we discussed on DATE? I'm giving it consideration and just want to make sure I fully understand. On reflection I feel like it could be a great opportunity. Could I put it on my resume'?"

Sometimes they stitch themselves up and it's glorious when it happens.

philpem commented on Nuclear material left in "Swap Shop" at UK Hacker camp emfcamp   meow.social/@tryst/112546... · Posted by u/cardinal_black
KennyBlanken · 2 years ago
Meh.

The comments about it being "dangerous if disassembled", the general tone of "this is really important/urgent!" and the follow-up saying that it's more dangerous than a smoke detector because these devices contain "considerably more" Am241, lead me to believe that if they do actually "work in civilian nuclear" (and it's not as an accountant, sysadmin, or janitor) they are trying to milk this for attention, even if they know better.

The source could be the size of a golf ball and it'd be completely harmless if you were more than a few inches away because alpha particles are stopped by an inch or so of air. Thus, alpha sources are only dangerous if ingested/inhaled. Am241 emits a very small amount of weak gamma radiation that isn't really worth mentioning.

They mention risk of dust inside the chamber of the device from self-sputtering. That seems like a non-issue given the likely purity of Am241 used and the fact that Am241 sources (such as those in a smoke detector) are bound in a matrix of another material, so if there's sputtering, a good bit of ti will be the matrix, not the Am241. Even if it wasn't in a matrix, the quantity of any self-sputtered material would still be completely inconsequential. We're talking about single atoms of the source being boinked off at a time here, in a really-not-that-radioactive source.

Given that there are no warnings or markings about there being a radioactive source inside, my guess is that the case is just, well, a case - an outer shell, and the actual instrument is inside the outer shell- and if there are any warnings, they'd be on that instrument, which you would see if you were to open it up.

Everyone really needs to understand that this was a near complete non-issue and that the person who retrieved it exposed themselves (and the people around them) to more risk of injury/death just driving to and from where the source ended up.

This is just some furry doing what furries do best - seek attention.

Edit: the person in question is now referring in other 'toots' to themselves as a "protagonist" in "the story of orphan sources." This fuss was definitely for attention. I'm guessing the wikipedia article already exists...

philpem · 2 years ago
Source: I was there. Person who handled this is a friend of mine.

They weren't milking it for attention. At EMF - at least early on - they were deliberately downplaying it to avoid causing a panic until the risk was known. Unfortunately when Atomicmaya's toot[1] dropped, they felt like they had to respond to squash any potential speculation or rumours. (the fear was someone would hear "orphan source" or "nuclear material" and think "Goiana incident, repeat of" -- Goiana was a much stronger caesium-137 gamma source).

Photos of the unit were being circulated privately in case there were more (the donator's identity was unknown at this point). EMF later announced in closing -- and you can see this on the recording [4] -- that they'd like to know if there were only two.

I've done basic risk assessment in a volunteer role and when there were unknowns, we took the path of assuming the worst, and planning for the best until we had more information. I can't really judge Tryst or anyone else for doing the same. In this case the worst-case scenario was a kid or teen at the camp buying it and taking it apart in their tent, and making the source material airborne.

Several people in the Furry Village google were trying to find information on the MIC based on the photos, and at the time we all found nothing.

The thing also very industrial which probably amped up the risk profile a bit further in peoples' minds, because it wasn't an obvious, recognisable, smoke detector.

This evening I googled the part number and sure enough, it's a very spicy (compared to modern ionisation detectors, about 10x the amount of Am241) early-generation smoke detector, and the Am241 is encased in gold. [2] [3]

TLDR: It's low risk, but that wasn't known at the time.

1: https://tech.lgbt/@AtomicMaya/112536889993443251 2: https://forcetechnology.com/-/media/force-technology-media/p... 3: https://www.nrc.gov/docs/ml0037/ml003770968.pdf 4: https://streaming.media.ccc.de/emf2024/relive/551

philpem commented on FreeBee: AT&T Unix PC emulator   philpem.me.uk/code/3b1emu... · Posted by u/luu
icedchai · 2 years ago
Back in the early 90's, I had a friend with one of these. It was a neat machine. I remember an unusual windowing system on it ("MGR", I think?) We were starting to get into PC unix clones - first Coherent, then Linux (SLS distro?) - around the same time.
philpem · 2 years ago
MGR was a later one - it could run (slowly) with an unmodified machine but really needed a VIDPAL to be used best. VIDPAL was a replacement PAL which enabled user-mode access to the framebuffer.
philpem commented on FreeBee: AT&T Unix PC emulator   philpem.me.uk/code/3b1emu... · Posted by u/luu
mananaysiempre · 2 years ago
> ACCELL Unify would be interesting to find

Both WinWorld[1] and Vetusware[2] have (what look like identical copies of) it for the 3B2.

[1] https://winworldpc.com/product/unify/31

[2] https://vetusware.com/download/Unify/?id=11459

philpem · 2 years ago
Ah, that's neat - it'd be nice to have it for SCO or Interactive Unix on x86. Especially Interactive, as that's the one I have to try and fix (Y2K20 issues).
philpem commented on FreeBee: AT&T Unix PC emulator   philpem.me.uk/code/3b1emu... · Posted by u/luu
larsbrinkhoff · 2 years ago
No a 3B2, which is different.
philpem · 2 years ago
And probably the only real at-scale deployment of the Western Electric 32000 (Bellmac 32) processor. Sadly that chip wasn't very popular.

As LeoPanthera said above, Bell's exchange for the ability to make PCs was a bit of a bad swap in retrospect. It's pretty easy to see they were going for some kind of convergence of computing and telecoms (the 3B1 has an internal 1200 Baud modem) but they didn't do well on that bet.

philpem commented on FreeBee: AT&T Unix PC emulator   philpem.me.uk/code/3b1emu... · Posted by u/luu
jasoneckert · 2 years ago
Another neat aspect of this machine was the hype around it at the time. AT&T took out ads in most magazines and pundits thought it would overtake the IBM PC because it ran UNIX and had some great software, including the first version of Microsoft Word (which was originally written for UNIX, specifically Microsoft's Xenix).
philpem · 2 years ago
It's really a shame how little of that software has survived. I think I have a complete Foundation Set disk set, some others I wrote from ImageDisk images, and that's about it.

UNIX software in general seems pretty thin on the ground. The OSes are out there (even rarities like Interactive Unix 4.1 - though not the later patches e.g. FDISK 2GB) but software? Hen's teeth.

ACCELL Unify would be interesting to find, it's the software General Instrument used to write the front-end for their cable TV headends.

philpem commented on FreeBee: AT&T Unix PC emulator   philpem.me.uk/code/3b1emu... · Posted by u/luu
LeoPanthera · 2 years ago
The 3B1 was one of the few uses of the 68010, which was basically a 68000 with a few bug fixes and, importantly, support for virtual memory. Combined with a separate MMU, this allowed you to run Unix.
philpem · 2 years ago
The VM support was the killer feature. The 3B1 has a hardware (discrete logic!) MMU, a custom designed thing completely unlike the Motorola 68451. It's an odd beast and took a lot of work (by several people, not just myself; check the git commit logs and CREDITS) to get it right.
philpem commented on FreeBee: AT&T Unix PC emulator   philpem.me.uk/code/3b1emu... · Posted by u/luu
bobmcnamara · 2 years ago
That must've been it! My friend and I bought them used at a yard sale at the end of the airport from a couple who had worked at TWA - they were former TWQ machines. I don't think we ever opened them.
philpem · 2 years ago
Nice setup!

I have a 7300 and a 3B1 (7300 is single half-height hard drives, 3B1 is two HH or one full-height). One has a Combo Card (RAM and serial) and a Floppy Tape card, I can't remember what the other has, but cards have been pretty thin on the ground. A DOS-73 or network card would be extremely nice to have.

The emulator actually started life because I couldn't find a machine for sale at a price I could afford, but the manuals were on Bitsavers. Someone later sold me the 7300 and 3B1.

philpem commented on FreeBee: AT&T Unix PC emulator   philpem.me.uk/code/3b1emu... · Posted by u/luu
rob74 · 2 years ago
I originally thought this was an emulator to run (original) AT&T Unix applications on a PC. Then I googled it and found the article you linked. The photo in the article doesn't really give you a good idea of how the system looked like when in use, here's a better one: https://oldcomputers.net/pics/att-unix-pc-left.jpg . If the keyboard is attached to the main case, the design makes it look so flush that you can overlook the fact that it's detachable.
philpem · 2 years ago
> thought this was an emulator to run (original) AT&T Unix applications on a PC

Technically it is, if you mean System V for MC68k :)

philpem commented on FreeBee: AT&T Unix PC emulator   philpem.me.uk/code/3b1emu... · Posted by u/luu
bobmcnamara · 2 years ago
But it sorta was! I had a 3B1. You could run DOS inside a window in the main environment.
philpem · 2 years ago
Ah, you had a DOS-73 expansion card?

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