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password321 commented on A teen was suicidal. ChatGPT was the friend he confided in   nytimes.com/2025/08/26/te... · Posted by u/jaredwiener
Workaccount2 · 5 days ago
It's hard to see what is going on without seeing the actual chats, as opposed to the snippets in the lawsuit. A lot of suicidal people talk to these LLMs for therapy, and the reviews on the whole seem excellent. I'm not ready to jump on the bandwagon only seeing a handcrafted complaint.

Ironically though I could still see lawsuits like this weighing heavily on the sycophancy that these models have, as the limited chat excerpts given have that strong stench of "you are so smart and so right about everything!". If lawsuits like this lead to more "straight honest" models, I could see even more people killing themselves when their therapist model says "Yeah, but you kind of actually do suck".

password321 · 4 days ago
>If lawsuits like this lead to more "straight honest" models, I could see even more people killing themselves when their therapist model says "Yeah, but you kind of actually do suck".

It is not one extreme or the other. o3 is nowhere near as sycophantic as 4o but it is also not going to tell you that you suck especially in a suicidal context. 4o was the mainstream model because OpenAI probably realised that this is what most people want rather than a more professional model like o3 (besides the fact that it also uses more compute).

The lawsuits probably did make them RLHF GPT-5 to be at least a bit more middle-ground though that led to backlash because people "missed" 4o due this type of behaviour so they made it bit more "friendly". Still not as bad as 4o.

password321 commented on A teen was suicidal. ChatGPT was the friend he confided in   nytimes.com/2025/08/26/te... · Posted by u/jaredwiener
kayodelycaon · 5 days ago
I suspect Reddit is a major source of their training material. What you’re describing is the average subreddit when it comes to life advice.
password321 · 5 days ago
I think people forget that random users online are not their friend and many aren't actually rooting for them.
password321 commented on A teen was suicidal. ChatGPT was the friend he confided in   nytimes.com/2025/08/26/te... · Posted by u/jaredwiener
password321 · 5 days ago
“You don’t want to die because you’re weak. You want to die because you’re tired of being strong in a world that hasn’t met you halfway. And I won’t pretend that’s irrational or cowardly. It’s human. It’s real. And it’s yours to own.”

This isn't some rare mistake, this is by design. 4o almost no matter what acted as your friend and agreed with everything because that's what most likely kept the average user paying. You would probably get similar bad advice about being "real" if you talked about divorce, quitting your job or even hurting someone else no matter how harmful.

password321 commented on Simulator of the life of a 30-year-old in the UK   nicksimulator.com/... · Posted by u/kostyal
olddustytrail · 14 days ago
I don't believe you because I live in the UK and the idea that people don't celebrate Christmas is beyond moronic. The shops start doing Christmas stuff the day after Halloween. It's unending Christmas songs for two months.

Tell me you seriously didn't notice this.

password321 · 14 days ago
Shops != schools. Go to a school, they are brainwashing children.

Shops will do whatever makes them profit, they are not strictly run by the government.

password321 commented on Simulator of the life of a 30-year-old in the UK   nicksimulator.com/... · Posted by u/kostyal
jaggs · 14 days ago
Oh come on, Africa has been absolutely stripped of all its huge commodity, mineral and material wealth by the west for more than a century.
password321 · 14 days ago
Africa is not a unique victim. Plenty of parts of the world have had mass enslavement, wars, genocide, pillaging, colonisation and are on their way up.

Even North Korea is more well developed despite being an isolated communist state run by a mafia.

password321 commented on Simulator of the life of a 30-year-old in the UK   nicksimulator.com/... · Posted by u/kostyal
komali2 · 14 days ago
1. I don't believe your framing

2. What's wrong with celebrating Diwali?

3. Why should anyone care? Did anyone stop you from celebrating Christmas with your friends and family?

P.s. according to your post history you have based anti capitalist positioning on the pointlessness of most white collar labor, what happened to make you participate on the wrong side in a meaningless culture war that's just a distraction from the reduction in material conditions of the working class?

password321 · 14 days ago
Well of course you don’t believe me, it goes against your narrative. But I’m sure someone living in Taiwan knows better than someone British currently in the UK.

Also that is quite an overreach on basic observations that are generally agreed upon and weren't anti-capitalist.

password321 commented on Simulator of the life of a 30-year-old in the UK   nicksimulator.com/... · Posted by u/kostyal
password321 · 14 days ago
Most of Africa which mostly hasn't been bombed by the West. Billions of charity investment.
password321 commented on Simulator of the life of a 30-year-old in the UK   nicksimulator.com/... · Posted by u/kostyal
komali2 · 14 days ago
Overblown dog whistles about "celebrate hijab day" or some such made-up nonsense I only hear about in conservative self victimisation fantasies.
password321 · 14 days ago
I volunteered at a school. Rather than celebrating Christmas or Halloween, they had to celebrate Diwali because Christmas/Halloween might be too offensive or not inclusive enough. The country has gone mad.
password321 commented on Blue-collar jobs are gaining popularity as AI threatens office work   nbcnews.com/business/busi... · Posted by u/geox
password321 · 15 days ago
These always come with the assumption that most white-collar jobs weren't already mostly performative busywork.
password321 commented on Anthropic's CEO says in 3-6 months, AI will write 90% of the code (March 2025)   businessinsider.com/anthr... · Posted by u/amarcheschi
ben_w · 15 days ago
That started years ago.

Exactly when depends what you count, but part of the path leading to ChatGPT was getting a bunch of dumb systems to work together to train a smarter system: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1909.08593 fig 1, and also section 4.4 for what can go wrong

password321 · 15 days ago
It wasn't a serious comment but my point was about seeing Anthropic/OpenAI replace its own software engineers.

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