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now__what commented on My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)   teamblind.com/post/My-fri... · Posted by u/luu
cptskippy · 2 years ago
> there’s a big difference between perspectives

Here's my take...

The difference between the United States and other countries is how we internalize things. We're very much guilt or shame driven because of the heavy influences of puritanical, fundamentalist, and catholic religions.

It's not that Americans don't cheat/indulge/whatever, it's that they feel bad about doing it. And that doesn't stop Americans from doing things, they just try to hide or repent for what they've done.

* Thinking about it a little more, there are also people here with a strong sense of entitlement and bewildering moral fortitude. They'll break down in tears or want to start a fight if you cuss in their presence but have no qualms about "moving" to Florida to dodge paying taxes or vehicle registration fees.

now__what · 2 years ago
Agree that the US can be pretty puritanical, so some of the aversion to cheating is driven by guilt/shame. But on the other hand, when you grow up without the necessity to lie/cheat, and when it isn't normalized, you never learn the methods to get away with it, and sometimes that's enough of a deterrent.

There are things in my life I'd rather lie about, but I don't because I never learned to lie convincingly. The same with cheating. Figuring out how to cheat on a test/interview sounds like a way more effortful and stressful experience than acting honestly (I shudder to imagine how it compounds imposter syndrome).

Imo "moving" to Florida (and similar tactics) got normalized, so it's easier for people to learn how to do it from a friend etc. so they do it more. No moralizing necessary.

now__what commented on On Having Enough Socks (2019)   gwern.net/socks... · Posted by u/hacb
Aeolun · 2 years ago
It’s absurd that as a country you drink so little tea that you wouldn’t need electric kettles.

At least, I can totally see how it would seem as such to anyone from the UK (and most of the world).

now__what · 2 years ago
Everyone in my (American) family drinks at least a cup, and often 3-5 cups of tea per day. This is considered a lot here. Tea drinking is so non-normalized that despite my entire family's love for tea, I was well into adulthood before I learned of electric kettles (from Tumblr) and introduced them to my family.

They're easier to find these days but still rare. If you ask for a hot tea at a restaurant, you'll often get a suspicious-looking teabag that has spent at least 6 months in the cupboard (iced is more available). I'm sure you can guess at the quality of most of the teas in an American grocery store; I usually wind up ordering from specialty tea shops instead.

now__what commented on The swing has a near-universal history of ritual transgression   aeon.co/essays/the-swing-... · Posted by u/Thevet
mlyle · 2 years ago
Yes. For an overview of how "ritual" is used in the social sciences--

https://faculty.haas.berkeley.edu/jschroeder/Publications/Ho...

or

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7423255/

As the grandparent points out, ritual literally/etymologically does mean a religious practice, but the use of ritual as metaphor in broader context in academic writing is weakening the religious portion of the meaning.

now__what · 2 years ago
These are very good links, and I feel I have a better understanding of "ritual" now. Thank you!
now__what commented on Lifestyle design from first principles   taylor.town/constructive-... · Posted by u/surprisetalk
andrewmcwatters · 2 years ago
I find it widely uninteresting as a philosophy because it’s unequivocally the same as being non-religious without philosophical affiliation to any moral value system.

As far as I’m concerned it’s a formal definition for those without adherence to any moral value system. You don’t need a biblical argument for that, it just is what it is.

You can call people whatever you want, it doesn’t mean they identify with such a group.

I find it to be the same as associating people who treat women with equality with feminism. Could you prescribe such a label? Sure I guess. But feminism is larger than that concept.

I’m not saying it is a misnomer. I am saying that it can be one for the same reason.

And so if you operate by assumption that one has no value system, they’re immoral.

I’m not trying to dice words here. Humans intuitively know what certain qualities of goodness and badness are. That doesn’t mean they actually live them, though.

That’s what’s dangerous. The subtlety of knowing that people know what goodness and badness are, seeing that they can in some or even most situations live accordingly, but not actually internalizing such philosophy to explicitly live it out, other than doing so my mimicry, requirement, or obligation.

now__what · 2 years ago
A very interesting take, thank you! I have to wonder if Humanists themselves would accept the label you're prescribing for them ;)

I also find it a little funny that you assume Humanists are only living out their philosophy "by mimicry, requirement, or obligation," as that's often how I've seen humanists describe religious moralism. I appreciate you sharing your perspective!

now__what commented on Lifestyle design from first principles   taylor.town/constructive-... · Posted by u/surprisetalk
andrewmcwatters · 2 years ago
> Philosophy is generally impractical.

I don’t understand this statement. The rest of the article is an exercise in philosophy.

I perceive it to be behavior that does not elevate the human being beyond that of a lesser animal.

This is just hedonism.

Their philosophy isn’t to understand truth or beauty either. It’s just to “use heuristics” to do what other successful people do.

I don’t like Western hedonistic philosophy like this that piggybacks off of old world philosophies and picks and chooses behaviors and practices without understanding. I associate it with Western humanism which I find equally dangerous because the two are philosophical siblings from the same immoral thinking.

This is dangerous philosophy.

Edit: I’ve edited this post because I found my initial post to be overly negative.

now__what · 2 years ago
> Western humanism which I find equally dangerous because the two are philosophical siblings from the same immoral thinking.

Do you mind elaborating on your issues with Western Humanism? I've never heard anyone critique it from a non-biblical angle, so I'm curious to hear what the gripes are.

now__what commented on The swing has a near-universal history of ritual transgression   aeon.co/essays/the-swing-... · Posted by u/Thevet
chongli · 2 years ago
Ritual /= ceremonial. Lots of people have rituals just for fun. The morning coffee ritual is one. Another common ritual is when athletes get ready for a game, but ritual need not be accompanied by superstition or indeed any belief whatsoever.

There are all sorts of rituals embedded in children’s play. Has anyone played “red rover”? [1] Heck, even video games and indeed computer use in general are full of rituals. The “three-finger salute” of control-alt-delete is a classic one.

I see this mistake made a lot on HN (and elsewhere). The term ritual connotes solemn religious practice but it doesn’t strictly mean that anymore. Language evolves! And in academic historical and archaeological contexts, the secular use of ritual pervades as a term of art (and may actually be a major contributor to the relaxation of the term in an etymological sense).

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Rover

Edit: how could I forget?! The birthday party! Long devoid of religion (at least for most people in the west), the birthday party, complete with song and candle-blow, is one of the most storied (and dreaded) rituals of all!

now__what · 2 years ago
This may be true from a strictly linguistic standpoint, but is this what historians mean by "ritual?"
now__what commented on Land Ownership Makes No Sense   wired.com/story/land-owne... · Posted by u/marbiru
legitster · 2 years ago
The author is also heavily misquoting Henry George out of context to make their point.
now__what · 2 years ago
Now that is a much more compelling critique. Thank you for sending me down this interesting rabbithole...
now__what commented on Land Ownership Makes No Sense   wired.com/story/land-owne... · Posted by u/marbiru
karaterobot · 2 years ago
> Yet by 1797, US founding father Thomas Paine was arguing that “the earth, in its natural uncultivated state” would always be “the common property of the human race," and so landowners owed non-landowners compensation “for the loss of his or her natural inheritance.”

Paine also wrote a pamphlet about how the U.S. government actually owned all the territorial land the British thought they still owned after the revolutionary war. So, he did believe in owning property as it turns out.

And do we really want to adjudicate this issue by tallying the number of U.S. founding fathers who believed in property rights? It's a meaningless metric, and I don't think the results would fall in the author's favor anyway.

Also, owning land is not a modern concept. Stone age humans fought over territory: night raids, throat slashing. It's a human constant. The modern idea of property ownership is a less violent method of staking a claim, backed by the threat of force by the government. Generally an improvement.

I think this article is making a bad suggestion in a dumb way.

now__what · 2 years ago
Did you actually read the article?

The statement about Paine is brief, and the author immediately moves on. In the full context of the article, it functions more to establish context than to bolster an argument. I have no horse in this race, but it's very weird that you've decided to cherry-pick this one statement so strongly.

now__what commented on America will soon see a wave of bank mergers?   economist.com/leaders/202... · Posted by u/pseudolus
tester756 · 2 years ago
Is this why some people recommend to take loan for something that you have money?

Like - you wanna spend 30K on a car and you have it in cash? take loan

you'll lose a some $$, but you'll be building your history.

now__what · 2 years ago
You also want to consider whether it's more valuable to you personally to have that cash in hand. Are you going to roll it into another investment? Then maybe a low enough interest rate on the loan will put you out ahead despite paying interest.
now__what commented on Banana Equivalent Dose   en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ban... · Posted by u/sph
SiempreViernes · 2 years ago
Mostly it is an example of failing at science communication, as highlighting the radioactivity of a banana basically just serves to make bananas seem more scary. Because radioactivity is scary: it can lethally damage without you feeling anything before your start puking.

Saying living next to a reactor is safe because even bananas contains a bit of radioactivity is somewhat like saying living next to a Ebola lab is safe because there are viruses in bananas... it's not really speaking to the fear of getting caught up in the fallout when bad things happen at the reactor.

now__what · 2 years ago
> speaking to the fear of getting caught up in the fallout when bad things happen at the reactor.

The comparison focuses on the normal amount of background radiation from living near a nuclear plant, so fear of fallout "when bad things happen" is a separate issue and irrelevant to the banana example. The Ebola lab comparison is a good one though.

u/now__what

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